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Well, unless he really does have suicidal intent, I would expect the "Dear Leader" to be quiet for a little while.

I think it would be rather amusing if the next one blew up as well and did some serious damage on the coast as it was launched!
- After all if the Russians can (allegedly) hack US elections (and just 4 days ago according to Reuters it was claimed they also hacked the Brexit vote!) and at the same time, the NSA can "monitor" global bank activities, it shouldn't be too hard for Uncle Sam to hack just one little NK missile launch should it?

Honestly Dave I don't think they need to bother, there are some indications that the Norks have settled on developmental dead ends long since abandoned by non- loony nations. For instance, due to their inability to consistently manufacture solid propellant in the right size and shape, they have liquid fiuelled rockets. These are ok performance wise. Maintenance wise they're a whirling son of a bitch. The fuel is hypergolic, it can explode if someone stamps on a spilt puddle. It can also dissolve biological material (so it can explode then melt you). The missiles can also only be kept fuelled for fifteen minutes before they start dissolving; once they've been fuelled and defuelled they have to be stripped and rebuilt. So they cannot keep them on "hot standby", the missiles have to be elevated out of the silo on an elevator before fuelling, all of which takes a few minutes before launch. A concerned nation might keep a few satellites tasked to watch the Nork solo doors...
 
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Well, they are made out of cardboard.....

Sadly, even the real ones. The day that ATLAS left service the whole USAF cheered for joy- literally, there were celebrations, and that only used RP-1 and liquid oxygen. The truly gruesome stuff the Soviets used (think- a compound of red fuming nitric acid was one...) are what the Norks are using given their relatively similar levels of progess to the (late 50s/ early 60s) USSR.
 

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Problem is that nut case is just crazy enough to fire another one (I see he has threatened to test one a week in an interview today) and send it in the direction of the US fleet "as a warning to the imperialists etc". But as of a couple of weeks ago the US Commander in Chief has lost his sense of humour!
 
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Problem is that nut case is just crazy enough to fire another one (I see he has threatened to test one a week in an interview today) and send it in the direction of the US fleet "as a warning to the imperialists etc". But as of a couple of weeks ago the US Commander in Chief has lost his sense of humour!

Quite. It runs deeper than just the trite threats too. The anti- shipping capability of the Norks is,well, minimal. To be kind. They do not have the search assets to begin trying to find one fast carrier group, they do not have the strike assets with the capability needed to make a serious threat towards them*. And there isn't one carrier group now. There's one onstation and another two under way. That puts North Korea at the tip of a very fast moving spear...

*to understand this better, look at what the Soviets thought was required to successfully attack a US CV/CVN in the 70s-80s. Multiple- regiment raids by BACKFIRE supersonic bombers, each with 3 heavy snti ship missiles. And that became hit & miss when the SM-2 AEGIS VLS anti air missile system joined the fleet in limited numbers. Now every US anti air ship has it- and the Norks have neither BACKFIRE bombers or their AS-4 missiles. Far too advanced for the Soviets to sell... they have the generation or two before that. A few anyway.

As I've mentioned before a fast carrier group can really do a number on ground based air forces & shore defences. They can run in under cover of darkness and quickly swamp an area with strike aircraft, which shoot ip everything they see before retiring, catching the opposition off guard. Or that, and a second carrier launches an ambush force to catch the ground based interceptors sent after the outbound strike... and the US have three such groups in the area. All with heavy cruise missile capability- and we just saw how effective they were.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Beijing right now...
 

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<< I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Beijing right now... >>

Are you sure about that?

You might just manage to utter those famous last words (taken from a Nagasaki quote) :
- "What the f..... !" :)
 

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You've been wrong before many times Craig ...wot about your fixed term General Election and Teresa Maybes there will be no snap general election, these people just never listen to you.
 
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You've been wrong before many times Craig ...wot about your fixed term General Election and Teresa Maybes there will be no snap general election, these people just never listen to you.

I don't claim to be right all the time. That surprised me I have to say, but there you go.

By the way, what did/ do you do for a job? Been meaning to ask you.
 

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It will be very interesting to see what happens with a general election because I don't see many labour supporters throwing away their vote towards Corbyn.

I do think (just like her standing for the job of PM to promote the policies she actively campaigned against) that this is nothing more nor less than self-opportunity grabbing. It also means that if she gets back in as can be expected, the things she has done without mandate (such as setting up new grammar schools while wasting £138.5M on the on now-closed free schools - will be firmed up under a mandate - whether you like it or not.

- But maybe during the hustings some real statistical truths regarding schools, the "no crisis" NHS and disabled persons situation will be revealed.
 

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They will continue to lie their way back into power. The Grammar school thing and the new onus on Mental Health are just throw away policies to give them something to boast about to the electorate, these will be dumped and forgotten about once they get back into power...if they ever do.
No doubt the usual 'Im all right Jack' voters will follow on and vote for them without removing the blinkers.
Remember this was not Teresa Maybes decision, like Cameron she has to appease the People who control her and the Tory party.
Party & profit before people.
 
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You are PRWales and I claim my £5!
 

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No doubt the usual 'Im all right Jack' voters will follow on and vote for them without removing the blinkers.

I don't agree,
the issue is finding a party that offer a viable alternative.

My vote will go to the best of a disgusting bunch of gits.

If I vote for any one there are those that disagree and will call me something or other,
if I don't vote I'm told I have no right to an opinion (bollocks btw),
spoiling the paper is illegal and unless multi millions do likelwise it's pointless as any attempted message is ignored.

I'm open to suggestions, in the real world please.
 

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I can only suggest that you question your local reps./candidates and then check out their answers with how they performed in the last parliament.
The problem with all politicians is they will tell you how bad their opponents are and then lie to you about stuff you cannot verify there and then.
 
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Did you not post this before somewhere, come on Craig I expect better ... Where is your imaginary comic friend.. he must have an opinion.

Yes I did. Where's yours? Oh yes... I remember. :)

Are you capable of answering questions by the way, or do they just provoke a spewing of Leftism?
 

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I don't agree,
the issue is finding a party that offer a viable alternative.

My vote will go to the best of a disgusting bunch of gits.

If I vote for any one there are those that disagree and will call me something or other,
if I don't vote I'm told I have no right to an opinion (bollocks btw),
spoiling the paper is illegal and unless multi millions do likelwise it's pointless as any attempted message is ignored.

I'm open to suggestions, in the real world please.

You are quite right and I've always said that we (well certainly I,) vote for the best of a lousy choice. I don't know too many people who are 'brazen' Tories nor 'rank' Socialists. Most of us are a pink shade of blue or vice-versa... I always expected to work and pay my way and understood about investing to get a return for my/the kids future etc. I expect my government to help people who have fallen on hard times etc. but I detest the work shy wasters etc. When the Liberal party morphed into the Lib Dem's I thought that at last we might get a real middle of the road party. But they were unfortunately a rag tag and bobtail waste of space that have continually left us with the lousy choice of two - and as I said before, Slick Nick's brazen lie about Uni fees for kids probably killed them for about ten years. Sadly it continues today so we have the two extremes - the Tories who are destroying the NHS and ripping allowances from the disabled but lying about how much they care and how much they're spending on it all, while Labour is run by a moron who is so thick skinned he won't resign until he no members to run! Great, it isn't.
 

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I actually see that we are a 1 party state nowadays.
Non of the main parties are actually what they say on the tin. The Tories are offering pretty much what the Labour would to the working class (who are mainly call centre workers these days), although Labour pretend otherwise.

I see Labour as near redundant. We no longer have kids going up chimneys that need protecting. Mine workers, after suffering abuse by their own champions anyway, are gone. Non of us are even going out t' yard fer a leak int middle of night anymore and don't have to wait our turn f' bath water.
50" tellies in most homes, with mega channel choices. New mobile phones each year, even oicks like me can afford a Mercedes. What are Labour for these days?
 
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I actually see that we are a 1 party state nowadays.
Non of the main party's are actually what they say on the tin. The Tories are offering pretty much what the Labour would to the working class (who are mainly call centre workers these days), although Labour pretend otherwise.

I see Labour as near redundant. We no longer have kids going up chimneys that need protecting. Mine workers, after suffering abuse by their own champions anyway, are gone. Non of us are even going out t' yard fer a leak int middle of night anymore and don't have to wait our turn f' bath water.
50" tellies in most homes, with mega channel choices. New mobile phones each year, even oicks like me can afford a Mercedes. What are Labour for these days?

A viable, credible Opposition needs to be formed. Somehow. The smallest party was always the Kingmaker- forming alliances with one or t'other over various issues, and that mostly worked...
 

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A viable, credible Opposition needs to be formed. Somehow. The smallest party was always the Kingmaker- forming alliances with one or t'other over various issues, and that mostly worked...

Not sure about this, just thinking aloud.

There may be advantage of the UK taking a definite direction for a while, without the inefficient to and fro of being slowed or stopped by an effective opposition.
The opposition is there to hold the Gov't to account, the press can do that if they have the freedom. And how can the opposition truly be the opposition if they couldn't actually do that much different if they had the power.

Russia were doing well with their singular style of leadership, as a state and not so well for disenters, until the West decided they deserved penalties.
 
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Not sure about this, just thinking aloud.

There may be advantage of the UK taking a definite direction for a while, with the inefficient to and fro of being slowed or stopped by an effective opposition.
The opposition* is there to hold the Gov't to account, the press can do that if they have the freedom. And how can the opposition truly be the opposition if they couldn't actually do that much different if they had the power.

Russia were doing well with their singular style of leadership, as a state and not so well for disenters, until the West decided they deserved penalties.

*But therein lies the problem - there ain't no opposition and we have to rely on the "mavericks" in the government trying to bring them to order. But lone voices just wither away - look at Heseltine - whether you or I agreed with him or not, a couple of weeks ago he had a point and was strong enough to make it. But most people in and out of the Commons have forgotten all about it now.
 


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