Breakthrough deal

[Frontstep]

Great selfie!

Since you seem to have trouble grasping basics...
For the past 30 plus years we have had unrestricted access to the EU markets.
We have had unrestricted travel to the EU for business and pleasure or career opportunities.
We have had unrestricted sharing of resources for scientific research and development.
We have had unrestricted access into EU financial markets via passporting.

Do you think you can understand all that?

As I said.... Great selfie.

Errh no we haven't had unrestricted access to EU markets just for a start, you couldn't have, you have to comply with EU directives of which there are many.
Take the fishing industry we used to have 200 miles the EU bought it down to 12 miles how is that not a restriction ?
In medicine Britain used to conduct 12 per cent of the clinical trials in the world. Now we only carry out one per cent why ?
In one -Clinical Trials Directive.
Ports, scientific research it goes on and on........



You gave me a great insight into your understanding of our position within the EU when you announced that post Brexit members of the EU would become our competitors in trade.

As I asked previously have you ever traded anything anywhere ?

 

[M80]

Thats the border the DUP objected to.....A border between the UK and NI.

As I've written of before,
I don't see the customs controls as being any different.
We do exercise controls at ports and must continue to do so.

When I return to the UK from wherever I must pass the control point. The same will be for NI (UK) citizens arriving at Liverpool for example.
It would be negligent of our border controllers to be any different.

 

[flowrider]

As I've written of before,
I don't see the customs controls as being any different.
We do exercise controls at ports and must continue to do so.

When I return to the UK from wherever I must pass the control point. The same will be for NI (UK) citizens arriving at Liverpool for example.
It would be negligent of our border controllers to be any different.

When traveling from NI to England, Scotland or Wales are you saying you go through border control? I didn't think that was the case as NI are part of the UK.

 

[M80]

Not done this yet,
and I accept that it is possible to sail across the Irish sea in ones own vessel, as is regularly done across the English Channel.
Most though will arrive at a port.

In any case there will be customs monitoring to attempt to control illegal activities, what will change?
The DUP don't wish to be treated differently and there will be no hard border between NI and the UK, just a flippin wide wet one.

 

[LostKiwi]

Errh no we haven't had unrestricted access to EU markets just for a start, you couldn't have, you have to comply with EU directives of which there are many.
Take the fishing industry we used to have 200 miles the EU bought it down to 12 miles how is that not a restriction ?
In medicine Britain used to conduct 12 per cent of the clinical trials in the world. Now we only carry out one per cent why ?
In one -Clinical Trials Directive.
Ports, scientific research it goes on and on........



You gave me a great insight into your understanding of our position within the EU when you announced that post Brexit members of the EU would become our competitors in trade.

As I asked previously have you ever traded anything anywhere ?

Any EU directive applies equally to all nations.
Untrestricted access to EU markets has been in effect. Just because we have to comply with EU rules and directives doesn't make a single difference as we are part of the EU. Unrestricted access is no tariffs or quotas.
You seem to treat the EU as a separate country - its not. WE are PART of the EU - so the EU is in part US. Those directives were put in place at least in part by our own politicians (ah - yes once again Mr Farage can be thanked for the sterling job he did in looking after out intersts in the EU).
This is the bigger picture which you seem incapable of grasping. We are not England or the UK. We are the EU. The UK is a part of the EU in the same way Scotland is part of the UK.
Hence when the UK leaves the EU they will become our competitors because then we will not be part of the EU. At present individual nation states are our competitors but in the overall scheme of the EU being a Union of nations they are at the same time our partners and no more our competitors than Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
This is the difference between your 'little England' and the bigger picture of a United Europe.

Now I get you don't want to be part of a Greater European superstate (I also get its a pretty unpopular view on here in general) and thats your choice but to say we have never had unrestricted access to EU markets is utter bullshit unless you only want to talk about regulatory standards (again small thinking).
Even to sell product in the UK you have to meet regulatory standards. Lead content in paint, chemical composition of plastics in childrens toys, any number of British standards etc.

Its interesting you bring up fishing. The UK entered into the London Fisheries Convention in 1964 (9 years before the UK joined the EEC). The convention allows vessels from the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Ireland and the Netherlands to fish within six and 12 nautical miles of each other’s coastlines.
That was an act of the UK government. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU (which didn't even exist at the time!). Incidentally the 200 mile limit you mentioned was increased from 12 miles to 200 miles in 1976 by the EEC! Good to see you research your 'facts'.

All you've done with your statements is demonstrate just how ill informed and how narrow your thinking is - indeed the phrase 'little Britain' does sum up your view of the world.

As for your last question I have worked for multi-nationals nearly all my life, bringing things into whichever country I was living in and sending them out again and dealing with the issues involved. I know its a damned site easier to bring something in from the Netherlands in a hurry than it is to bring something quickly from the US. I also know its a ballache to send stuff to Singapore or Tokyo compared to getting the same items to Amsterdam or Paris. Whats your point? (Rhetorical question - don't answer it as I'm really not interested in your opinions or anything you might say).

 

[Naraic]

I dont understand how we can have an open border between The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland whilst controlling the borders elsewhere. Wont anyone who wants to enter the UK just come in via the open border? If the Republic are so adamant on an open border with NI then wont they have to have a border with the EU?

I should add that it is not only the RoI who are adamant but also that part of the UK known as NI.

 

[Naraic]

Errh no we haven't had unrestricted access to EU markets just for a start, you couldn't have, you have to comply with EU directives of which there are many.
Take the fishing industry we used to have 200 miles the EU bought it down to 12 miles how is that not a restriction ?
In medicine Britain used to conduct 12 per cent of the clinical trials in the world. Now we only carry out one per cent why ?
In one -Clinical Trials Directive.
Ports, scientific research it goes on and on........



You gave me a great insight into your understanding of our position within the EU when you announced that post Brexit members of the EU would become our competitors in trade.

As I asked previously have you ever traded anything anywhere ?

Have you ever had a discussion/argument where you have not been right?

 

[M80]

Nariac, I've been expecting you to voice opinion on the border issue.
We may discuss it but we are pretty much unaffected by it.

 

[Naraic]

An open border is an imperative.

A closed border, have no doubt, will lead to violence. It would be naive to think otherwise.

 

[M80]

Yes agreed,
Aside from eu negotiators I've not heard anyone yet suggest a hard border would be required.

 

[Frontstep]

Have you ever had a discussion/argument where you have not been right?

Point out exactly where I am wrong on this issue or do you believe;

other EU members are not competitors in trade with us.

There are no restrictions on trade in the EU.

There are no quota's.

Perhaps the wine lakes, milk mountains, olive oil, bridges to no where,Drug company research etc etc were/are figments of my imagination.

Perhaps you believe we have had some sort of monetary union slid in under the carpet.

 

[Naraic]

Point out exactly where I am wrong on this issue or do you believe;

other EU members are not competitors in trade with us.

There are no restrictions on trade in the EU.

There are no quota's.

Perhaps the wine lakes, milk mountains, olive oil, bridges to no where,Drug company research etc etc were/are figments of my imagination.

Perhaps you believe we have had some sort of monetary union slid in under the carpet.

Point out what? How could I possibly do that when you are never wrong and only your opinion (and it is only opinion, none of us know how this will turn out) is correct? You don't entertain fools gladly...and that's how you view the rest of us.

 

[M80]

So the Gov't were defeated on the eu withdrawal bill last night.
The vote was 309 / 305, only 4 votes in it, less than 1.5%.
Should there be a revote?

 

[LostKiwi]

So the Gov't were defeated on the eu withdrawal bill last night.

A crushing defeat for the government with an overwhelming majority voting against them

 

[M80]

A crushing defeat for the government with an overwhelming majority voting against them

Ah the Diane Abbott school of economics.
She would attempt to form the future rebel party to run the country, but she can't sleep with all of 'em. As much as sleeping would be the preference.

 

[LostKiwi]

Ah the Diane Abbott school of economics.
She would attempt to form the future rebel party to run the country, but she can't sleep with all of 'em. As much as sleeping would be the preference.

Actually it was a tongue in cheek poke at some that said the referendum result was overwhelmingly in favour of leave....

 

[Frontstep]

Point out what? How could I possibly do that when you are never wrong and only your opinion (and it is only opinion, none of us know how this will turn out) is correct? You don't entertain fools gladly...and that's how you view the rest of us.

So you have the opportunity to point out where I am wrong, and please accept the points I have made on competition etc are not opinion. we either are or we are not in competition with other EU members for trade for example.

The only fool is the one who makes inaccurate statements repeats them and perhaps those who support them.

Here is your opportunity to distance yourself.

 

[Naraic]

The point is, you don't know if you're right...but you sneer at those with differing views.

As a remainer I fervently hope we have a good result it would be stupid to wish otherwise...but only time will tell and I have no more a crystal ball than you do.

 

[M80]

Actually it was a tongue in cheek poke at some that said the referendum result was overwhelmingly in favour of leave....

I know,
my post was being sarcastic regarding the same.

The referendum was carried with a higher % majority than last nights defeat.
That's democracy I guess

 

[Frontstep]

So the Gov't were defeated on the eu withdrawal bill last night.
The vote was 309 / 305, only 4 votes in it, less than 1.5%.
Should there be a revote?

Don't worry Gina Millar is looking into it as we speak.

Its no bad thing the government lost because it now puts the "deal" into sharp focus if Parliament votes against it we leave without a deal unless they can put Brexit into the long grass with delays.
The EU negotiators of course see the problems with that.

Or we could have yet another general election.
Which potential Prime Minister wants to overturn a democratic vote in the United Kingdom ?

The problem for the remoaners is that the only other option is Jesus Corbyn who doesn't like the EU either.

The country had an option at the election to vote in a pro-EU party and most decisively abandoned them.

YouGov’s latest poll for the Times has topline figures of CON 42%(+2), LAB 41%(nc), LDEM 7%(nc).

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

It certainly isn't over till the fat lady sings and she hasn't even picked out her dress yet.
Ms May is in for a torrid time.