Brexit

[Craiglxviii]

There you go, fixed that for you

Be careful what you wish for, Lenin is just around the corner...

 

[coxyhog]

A bit of light relief....

 

[Xtractorfan]

No, the point is that you were all portraying Corbyn as a shining bastion of honest politics when in reality he's just the same as any other policitian who makes promises they either can't or don't need to fulfill in order to garner votes. Fair play to him, he did it well but please don't try and tell me he is anything special or different to the rest of the crop.

Nooo wrong again.. The tories are seething that CORBYN was the winner in the last general election, and that Mayhem lost out miserably... I know she won, but lost, he lost, BUT WON... amazing how things work out ...So they are now back at what they know best, posting made up rubbish to try and get those who have little wit or intelligence to repost it knowing that some will believe it without questioning it.......... They would love to call another election to get rid of Mayhem. But they cannot as they know, and FEAR Jeremy will do even better.... So lets dog him again with our social media and press releases showing his weaknesses and use our smart little twisted and professionally designed 'suit our cause' half truth posters. See me Jimmy I don't like that....
You can vote for whoever you think will do the best for the UK and the Greedy gits who will screw everyone to earn a few million quid. I prefer to support those who will do the best for the people of the UK.
There is actually a great little story in the current edition of Private Eye. captioned Mug & Mogford about our present PM and her sussessful lobbying to get a guy called Mogford £500,0000 for his troubled Land Rover dealership... when he was a serial fraudster and conman...brill just who we need running the country and in charge of Brexit.. amazing how Lord Ashton aint tweeting about that.

 

[AMGeed]

Labour are seething that CORBYN was the loser in the last general election, and that Mayhem won despite being rubbish. It was our best chance and we blew it. Even the lies we told to gain the student vote weren't enough to convince the electorate.
Oh well got to wait another 5 years for our next chance but the Labour party as we know it are sunk. The students won't fall for the same lie next time.
Did you see Andrew Marr expose Corbyns lack of economics last Sunday? The old fool didn't even realise how much his lies were going to cost the country.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Xtractorfan]

No need to fix anything for me, you can bend it any way you like ... but when you do bend it remember it aint how it should be. STRAIGHT...

 

[Yugguy]

Tbh the young ARE stupid enough to fall for it again and I'm sure Corbyn will trot out the same line if he thinks it will work. He won't give up the chance for power after getting so close.

 

[Frontstep]

Well with the thought that the person who lost won I shall enter Wimbledon next year and in anticipation buy a pot of silver cleaner.


The electorate had moved on from Brexit as it had been triggered and turned to austerity understandably.
May was selling more pain and Corbyn was offering anything and everything to gain power.

May won despite offering more pain quite remarkable really, she has the charisma of an old schoolteacher you thought had died.

Labour can't win its not good for them they like the victim status, the perennial protest party.
They tried winning with Blair and are still haunted by it.

Corbyns duplicity unravels, the cuddly old rebels sycophants are sobering up and his old sage persona slips.

He did remarkably well all things considered but the labour party needs to look to his successor soon.

 

[davemercedes]

Tbh the young ARE stupid enough to fall for it again and I'm sure Corbyn will trot out the same line if he thinks it will work. He won't give up the chance for power after getting so close.

Never mind the young - at least they haven't heard the "same old" for donkeys years... And it would appear that the majority of the electorate are either all in the same boat i.e.: picking the best of a lousy choice or more likely they are all stupid enough to fall for the Tory waffle again. Don't forget "We're all in this together" and Mayhem said "it's all for the good of the country"

Meanwhile it's now actually acknowledged (Beeb report from the Office of National Statistics) that more than 2500 products on the supermarket shelves have hidden price increases (the new buzzword is "shrinkflation") - all achieved by making the packets smaller at the same price (or more on a couple of things I looked at). Surely that can't be due to Brexit - wasn't that just a "project fear" frightener? Or maybe it hasn't happened really...

 

[JBell]

Meanwhile it's now actually acknowledged (Beeb report from the Office of National Statistics) that more than 2500 products on the supermarket shelves have hidden price increases (the new buzzword is "shrinkflation") - all achieved by making the packets smaller at the same price (or more on a couple of things I looked at). Surely that can't be due to Brexit - wasn't that just a "project fear" frightener? Or maybe it hasn't happened really...

Corbyn's bag of free sweets he offered to the electorate seems to have also gone through shrinkflation as well

 

[keefysher]

Meanwhile it's now actually acknowledged (Beeb report from the Office of National Statistics) that more than 2500 products on the supermarket shelves have hidden price increases (the new buzzword is "shrinkflation") - all achieved by making the packets smaller at the same price (or more on a couple of things I looked at). Surely that can't be due to Brexit - wasn't that just a "project fear" frightener? Or maybe it hasn't happened really...

Simple answer to that greed, don't buy the sugar laden crap, en masse.

On Brexit Marmite was subject to panic buying and project fear.

In days of yore I used to buy a triple marathon on each tank of fuel fill up, sometimes twice a day. I haven't done that for years and have suffered shrinkflation and feel healthier for it

 

[C350Carl]

Some well thought out reasoning there from a Sun or Mail journalist. Or more possibly from a budding half the story tory journalist.. Then you read it, and repost it, without even giving a thought to the mathematics applied to the story..in this case none.... If you can publish facts and figures from 10 years hence if the policies that the story speaks of were in force, then see if your writers silly forethoughts were to ring true. Its like predicting the effects of Brexit. No one really knows.
Oh dear Lord save us its Lord Ashcroft on Twitter .. and you thought it was worthy of reposting on here...

Yes I did think it was worthwhile actually because, unlike you, I can appreciate a joke! At no point did I say this was the gospel truth or the mathematics stood.

I thought it was quite funny so posted it to lighten the mood. But, just like the other person you allow to use your login, you appear not to understand humour and just want to argue.

 

[Yugguy]

Xtractor has no sense of humour, like a lot of socialists this makes him terminally dull. I may have been a predominately conservative voter but I can laugh at their mistakes and excesses quite easily.

As for shrinkflation, this is not a brexit issue - it's been going on for years.

 

[davemercedes]

Xtractor has no sense of humour, like a lot of socialists this makes him terminally dull. I may have been a predominately conservative voter but I can laugh at their mistakes and excesses quite easily.

As for shrinkflation, this is not a brexit issue - it's been going on for years.

Absolutely. Supermarkets and their suppliers know all these tricks - it was about two years ago that virtually overnight packs of almost every brand of cheese shrunk from 400g to 350g or 300g. But to be fair, the dollar has driven prices up and 2500 is rather a big number for the "pay more get less" trick and instead of telling the truth and asking for a bigger price the products have been repackaged. This was the reason, contrary to keefysher's post that Marmite went up... Don't you remember how Tesco "bravely suffered the (free!) publicity of defending our prices" by telling Unilever it would not be carried in stock? It was featured on the Beeb etc - here's the story on the Mirror (so you know it must be true!). But of course at that time we hadn't been hit by 2.9% inflation!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/tesco-unilever-brexit-price-war-9033259

I wonder how long it'll be before we adopt the "Schooner" size of beer (285ML) in the pubs at the same size as a pint (568ML) ?

 

[keefysher]

Absolutely. Supermarkets and their suppliers know all these tricks - it was about two years ago that virtually overnight packs of almost every brand of cheese shrunk from 400g to 350g or 300g. But to be fair, the dollar has driven prices up and 2500 is rather a big number for the "pay more get less" trick and instead of telling the truth and asking for a bigger price the products have been repackaged. This was the reason, contrary to keefysher's post that Marmite went up... Don't you remember how Tesco "bravely suffered the (free!) publicity of defending our prices" by telling Unilever it would not be carried in stock? It was featured on the Beeb etc - here's the story on the Mirror (so you know it must be true!). But of course at that time we hadn't been hit by 2.9% inflation!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/tesco-unilever-brexit-price-war-9033259

I wonder how long it'll be before we adopt the "Schooner" size of beer (285ML) in the pubs at the same size as a pint (568ML) ?

I'm going to stamp and stamp and throw my toys out of the pram
wtf did I say Marmite had increased in price in my post???

I posted - 'On Brexit Marmite was subject to panic buying and project fear.' Absolutely no mention of monetary figures whatsoever. If you are going to quote folk, then quote precisely what was posted, not what you think you read. Now go and sit in the corner for the rest of the day with the pointed hat on

There were some jokers selling Marmite on eBay at reported silly prices, more fool the buyers. Costco had a run on the stock of the very large tubs of Marmite that weekend, only bought 1 to replenish the emptied one that morning. There ws a limit imposed that other customers were going up to, hope the price dropped soon thereafter.

 

[Frontstep]

Much good cheer on the economy lately after our Brexit vote, the outlook is on the up.

 

[davemercedes]

Well, sorry: I read "On Brexit Marmite was subject to panic buying and project fear." as your interpretation of the reason the price increase - and I never saw any reports of panic buying nor any limit in my local Costco (and I never buy the stuff - as they say, you love it or hate it).

But the main publicity about Marmite was all created by Tesco saying they had withdrawn it from sale because the distributor (Unilever, who blamed the increase on the sharp fall in the pound/dollar rate) had increased their cost price past the point that they could absorb i.e.: "Brave Tesco" was defending your budget (although they didn't withdraw any of the 2500+ items that had shrinkflation on the size though).
- Yeah, right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37639518

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

I agree we have had 30 years of prosperity while in the EU

But:

- Most women have entered the workforce
- Computerisation and robotics have changed the industrial landscape
- We have not had any wars (until Blair), very expensive things to get involved with
- Moving goods around the world has become extremely cheap with containerisation
- Global banking and free movement of money in nanoseconds

Anyone like to add more Kondratiev elements

So not everything of benefit can be attributed to being a member of the EU , in fact only free movement of goods, immigration needs to controlled to bring in the right skills, our creaking services and infrastructure are unable to cope with open borders to all EU member states

 

[LostKiwi]

Much good cheer on the economy lately after our Brexit vote, the outlook is on the up.

Hmmm... my sources don't agree.

"United Kingdom | Economic Forecasts | 2017-2020 Outlook
UK GDP growth is expected to ease in 2017 mainly due to slower consumer spending as rising inflation squeezes household budget. Still, the unemployment rate is expected to remain close to its equilibrium rate of around 4.5 percent in the near term although wage growth is likely to remain low, resulting in falling real wages. Inflation is forecast to peak just below 3 percent in the fourth quarter of the year. In addition, business investment and exports are likely to be supported by depreciation of the sterling and the expected pickup in global growth. The Bank of England is likely to start raising rates in mid-2018. As for the UK public finances, government net borrowing is expected to fall this year to 2.6 percent of GDP amid steady economic growth and strong tax receipts. This page has economic forecasts for the United Kingdom including a long-term outlook for the next decades, plus medium-term expectations for the next four quarters and short-term market predictions for the next release affecting the the United Kingdom economy."




Whilst some of those indicators look good some look distinctly worrying. Currency looks set to fall another 15% against the dollar (so unless oil prices fall thats increased fuel costs), unemployment looks set to rise, the stockmarket will lose a big chunk (around 15%) but most concerning is the rise in interest rates and the effect that will have on household spending.

In the 3 years till 2020 every household in Britain will pay more for almost everything. Thats a cost to the average person and the extra money spend will never be recovered.

Now I don't hold much stock in crystal balls (and I can see some figures here I'd query - specifically inflation in the light of the falling pound and the knock on effect on fuel prices) but since you seem to have a great love of them and frequently make statements about how everything is on the up or similar baseless statements I'd like to see your reasons for the statement quoted.

My source is:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/forecast

 

[LostKiwi]

I agree we have had 30 years of prosperity while in the EU

But:

- Most women have entered the workforce
- Computerisation and robotics have changed the industrial landscape
- We have not had any wars (until Blair), very expensive things to get involved with
- Moving goods around the world has become extremely cheap with containerisation
- Global banking and free movement of money in nanoseconds

Anyone like to add more Kondratiev elements

So not everything of benefit can be attributed to being a member of the EU , in fact only free movement of goods, immigration needs to controlled to bring in the right skills, our creaking services and infrastructure are unable to cope with open borders to all EU member states

I don't think membership of the EU significantly alters the issues the NHS has as staffing levels of the NHS are broadly inline with the immigration from the EU. Similarly employment (and taxation) of EU citizens in the UK more than funds services provided.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/
https://fullfact.org/europe/are-there-600000-unemployed-eu-migrants-uk/

To summarise - EU citizens make up just 5% of UK population, yet 10% of doctors and 4% of nurses are from EU countries. EU citizens account for 1.1% of NHS expenditure.

 

[keefysher]

Well, sorry: I read "On Brexit Marmite was subject to panic buying and project fear." as your interpretation of the reason the price increase - and I never saw any reports of panic buying nor any limit in my local Costco (and I never buy the stuff - as they say, you love it or hate it).

But the main publicity about Marmite was all created by Tesco saying they had withdrawn it from sale because the distributor (Unilever, who blamed the increase on the sharp fall in the pound/dollar rate) had increased their cost price past the point that they could absorb i.e.: "Brave Tesco" was defending your budget (although they didn't withdraw any of the 2500+ items that had shrinkflation on the size though).
- Yeah, right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37639518

Apology accepted

'Send four and sixpence, we are going to a dance' is famously reported, although the original transmission was 'send for reinforcements, we are going to advance'. Another famous example is 'fork handles' or was it 'four candles' by the Two Ronnies. A favourite of mine when working away from home as I left site on a Thursday after my 3 day week was 'see you next tuesday' as my start day was a Tuesday, very seldom interpreted correctly

However, you cannot possibly draw inference in respect of any 'interpretation' on my part unless you are a mind reader, as you again go to show your lack of comprehension of my written word, as there was none of my words remotely relating to price. Your oft reposted BBC at the time of the 'Marmitegate' were reporting in live broadcasts at various supermarkets, Tesco, Morrisons, CoOp, emptying shelves as people panic bought at the price on the day.