Brexit

[AMGeed]

^ Says the most negative and anti- Brexit member of the forum.
I bet you're a bundle of laughs at home as well Dave.
Never happier than when you're moaning.

Something to think about perhaps?

 

[LostKiwi]

To be fair much of what Dave says is correct.
The UK government (politicians overall in fact and not just those in government) has been shambolic in the way it handled this - even right from the start when the referendum was first announced.
The campaigns for Brexit (on both sides) were conducted on ill founded basis of lies and half truths, many of which are still being promulgated now.
The simple facts are the UK economy (in relation to the EU) has already suffered. Inflation is up meaning interest rates are likely to rise, the pound has weakened (which should help exports), yet exports are down, the UK retail sector is stagnating and we have probably yet to encounter the worst.
Everything that is happening right now has a direct effect on the spending power of UK residents, the man in the street. For those who were 'just about managing' things have become tougher and will likely become tougher yet.
A no deal will see tariffs. I believe 20% on cars exported to the EU. Currently 56% of UK car manufacturing exports go to the EU. Anyone like to hazard the effect that will have on sales or the consequential reduction in manufacturing and jobs as a result?
The UK is setting up for a downward spiral. High Inflation, less jobs, lower taxation revenues and higher public spending.
Now some may view that as overly pessimistic but unless a deal can be found or we find new markets willing to take UK manufactured goods (and a lot of them given the potential for lost exports to the EU as a result of tariffs) then we have some troubling times ahead. We also cannot negotiate trade deals with other nations until after we leave the EU (under World Trade Organisation rules we have no legal standing as a separate trade entity until then) We have a huge mountain to climb and many citizens will feel a lot of pain - predominantly the poorer sections of our population.
IF we can get free trade with the EU right from the start there is a chance Brexit could work out well. Without it we're screwed.

 

[Yugguy]

No Dave is just relentlessly negative. YES I know some things have got worse. But there will not be no deal. There is posturing from politicians on both sides but business is stronger than government.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Makes me smile, you tell the Italian grape growers they can't export Prosecco to us unless there is a 20% import duty lol. We are a very important market to the remaining EU nations the last thing they want is for us to look inward, stop holidaying in Spain etc and the list goes on and on

 

[LostKiwi]

Makes me smile, you tell the Italian grape growers they can't export Prosecco to us unless there is a 20% import duty lol. We are a very important market to the remaining EU nations the last thing they want is for us to look inward, stop holidaying in Spain etc and the list goes on and on

It's OUR government impose the tariffs inbound.

 

[Frontstep]

The person most to blame imo Peter is Theresa May - coupled with the atrocious state of government today - most of the attitude from the EU is tit for tat to Mrs May has lost any authority she ever had in the 15 months she's had the "big" job.

She started off on day-one with a threat ("no deal is better" etc) before the negotiators had even spoken. I believe things could and would change fairly dramatically if she would go (funny... remember Cameron telling Corbyn in the Commons - "Just go, Man".... Her attitude has been in my opinion at best rude and at worst damaging to our negotiation position. Then take the total shambles of negotiation - in my opinion they (our Cabinet) had no idea what was wanted for the best part of a year but then Mayhem (the unelected leader of the one state leaving the other 27 told them (the EU) that they should look further etc.

Then just look back to the shambles starting with the court case that she insisted had to be taken to appeal (at our expense) when our highest judges agreed with a citizen that she could not do what she wanted like a president (especially the one over the pond!) and required the process to be debated and approved in parliament. That same scenario has just been repeated against the background of "The Great Power Grab" with over 136 changes proposed by MPs because she wants to take the repeal bill as carte blanche for herself and ministers without MPs approval - so the Repeal Bill is on the back burner at present. Great management, I don't think.

The ongoing argument about the "divorce bill" is another example of a mismanaged "fudge". She (May) has already indicated that we are prepared to pay what is genuinely due so instead of the continual waffle, all Davis had to say at their latest negotiation meeting was: "We will settle, subject to audit" (regardless of the "not a penny" rubbish that people like Bumbling Boris kept saying) instead of which, both sides flagged it up (again) as a major difference. It's not surprising that May's latest diversions like reviewing racial tensions and student debt (which the government themselves created) have been pushed out to distract our attention from the main shambles. It took all the time until the Florence speech for her to even confirm that we would provide any protection to EU citizens who are here (working and paying taxes)

Many foreign business leaders expressed sadness at the way our negotiations are (not) going but I believe Mayhem's manner has helped to move them from wanting a satisfactory settlement to almost a "good riddance" state. And while all this has been going on, productivity in UK has been sliding down and down while the EU has been going up.

Your obsession with Boris clouds your judgment he actually said;

Britain will pay “not a penny more, not a penny less” than what the government thinks its legal obligations are to the European Union as the country leaves the bloc.

Oh and the other one you misquote ;

EU could “go whistle” on its demands for payment was in response to being asked whether Britain would pay “100 billion euros or pounds”, not that we wouldn't pay.

Then there's the one off the side of the red bus you often misquote has me thinking this remoaning is bad for your eye-sight still at least you don't think alll trade will stop on Brexit day so thats a feather in your euro beret.

 

[LostKiwi]

at least you don't think alll trade will stop on Brexit day

No one but you has said anything suggesting it will.

 

[Frontstep]

Makes me smile, you tell the Italian grape growers they can't export Prosecco to us unless there is a 20% import duty lol. We are a very important market to the remaining EU nations the last thing they want is for us to look inward, stop holidaying in Spain etc and the list goes on and on

You better get your Prosecco stacked in, it will only be available from black market smugglers after we have left.

As to Spain better go while you can.

I am getting an allotment and building an Ark.

 

[Frontstep]

No one but you has said anything suggesting it will.

Wow do you think we will get UN food parcels ?

 

[LostKiwi]

Wow do you think we will get UN food parcels ?

You tell me? Will we need them? (Your crystal ball seems so much better than mine after all).

 

[Craiglxviii]

You tell me? Will we need them? (Your crystal ball seems so much better than mine after all).

We sold off the Strategic Food Stockpile in 1979 so yes we might!

 

[Frontstep]

Your not kidding, Oxfam are setting up ready to feed us.
I think we will end up riding round in old Marina's and Itals like a new Cuba.
Fidel Johnson and Che Farage will lead us.
The EU will prosper and we will float on a raft picking spoilt cheeses out of the water.

 

[davemercedes]

View attachment 39540 ^ Says the most negative and anti- Brexit member of the forum.
I bet you're a bundle of laughs at home as well Dave.
Never happier than when you're moaning.

Something to think about perhaps?

What I think about is the damage being done to our country by a turncoat "leader" and her squabbling children pals while the biggest thing since WWII requires serious handling. Sorry if the truth upsets you.

Every political Tom, Dick and Boris says "we must work together" then they all go off on their separate ways. But if it amuses you to poke personal fun then enjoy yourself. It will be interesting to see what what the PM comes home with this week... if it's any good it will justify my very first forecast - the deal we will get is just what they choose to give us.

 

[turbopete]

I think we will end up riding round in old Marina's and Itals like a new Cuba.

please god no!!!! old Fords, I could deal with, but BL cr@p??? no thanks!

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

What we aren’t seeing yet is the divisions within the EU that will come later down the line as the deal is fleshed out, early days yet and plenty of headlines to come. TM will have an interesting couple of days I’m sure we need her to decisive and firm at this juncture

 

[LostKiwi]

A united EU and a fractured UK. Whats not to worry about.....

 

[davemercedes]

No Dave is just relentlessly negative. YES I know some things have got worse. But there will not be no deal. There is posturing from politicians on both sides but business is stronger than government.

Tell me something really positive Yuggy...

 

[Yugguy]

I'll tell you something my 11 year old has figured out but you apparantly have not.

If you have a bad situation you can do one of two things.
1) Recognise the issues, sort them if you can, but move on anyway.
2) Recognise the issues and whinge about them.

Only ONE of these options actually brings an improvement in the situation.



Incidentally, a united EU? Really?

 

[LostKiwi]

Incidentally, a united EU? Really?

Well by Malcolm210's statement they are....?

 

[Yugguy]

No, he said we just haven't seen the fractures yet.