1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

CLS with new NTG 2.5 Comand unit + H/K Amplifier & Sub Amp.

Discussion in 'Electrics, Vacuum, Ignition and ECU' started by Mcobinad, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Yes, I guess I am now part of the NTG 2.5 comand convoy. The NTG 2.5 comand unit is finally fitted to my CLS with other additional items like IPod Media Interface, NTG 2.5 Tv tuner & the latest Map disk update.

    I travelled to Lightwater for the upgrade and Richard & Mark took the car apart. Yes, they took out everything in the car to wire up the cables. I took pictures while this upgrade was going on and it was an absolute pleasure to watch these guys in action. They really know their stuff and I cannot recommend them enough. Is the upgrade worth? Well, this response is totally subjective. To me, it's ****** worth every dime invested into it but like I always say "One man's meat is another man's poison". I guess, some would really like to do the upgrade but the cost might put them off.

    The NTG 1 parts would be made redundant as they are not compatible with NTG 2.5 parts. Here is a list of the parts that I purchased for the conversion:


    1) Mercedes-Benz NTG 2.5 Comand unit + Gps Antenna

    2) Mercedes-Benz NTG 2.5 HK Amplifier

    3) Mercedes-Benz NTG 2.5 Sub-Amplifier

    4) Mercedes-Benz Ipod Interface

    5) Mercedes-Benz NTG 2.5 Tv tuner

    6) Map disk update

    7) Mercedes-Benz Comand NTG 2.5 manual

    8) WCM-DVD module for NTG 2.5

    9) Bluetooth-Antenna for NTG 2.5

    10) Microphone extension cable NTG 2.5

    11) W211/219 sound harness NTG 2.5 (code 810)

    12) Mercedes-Benz storage tray

    13) Labour charge


    All the parts + labour (including coding) cost me = £4050.00

    I have available all the NTG 1 parts that came off my car and they are up for sale. Here are few pictures of the car during upgrade and after upgrade.

    Enjoy!!!!!!!!!


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  2. whitenemesis

    whitenemesis Senior Member

    Messages:
    17,982
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2006
    Your Mercedes:
    CLS55 AMG '05
    Just love watching these guys work! Great handfuls of cabling, trim panels scattered everywhere...

    And it all goes back together as if it had never been touched, class!

    No one does it better!! [​IMG]

    Will be interested in how well the digital TV performs, keep us updated?
     
  3. turbopete

    turbopete Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,987
    Likes Received:
    255
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2009
    Location:
    Spennymoor
    Your Mercedes:
    2010 '60' Ford Mondeo 2.0TDCi Zetec (sorry)
    did your car have HK originally?

    if you feel it ws worth the money, then its a great investment. but at £4k i can understand why many people deem a HK/BOSE upgrade at an excessive cost! id LOVE to upgrade my car to BOSE or HK (whichever was fitted at the time) but the costs really would be too prohibitive for me.

    great job though!
     
  4. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Before:


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]


    After:


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]


    Types of routes:


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    The Junction split is so wonderful on the new unit. The bird eye view mode is great. Am loving it. :)
     
  5. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Yes, I had a factory fitted NTG 1 Harman Kardon. That is now up for sale. :)
     
  6. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Latest 2012 Map update disk!

    Due to time constraint, Mark gave me the map update disk to take home and do it myself. The update took me an 1h45 and the car has to be at a stand still position to carry out the update.

    2012 update Map version:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    :)
     
  7. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Oh, for sure, I will keep you guys updated! [​IMG]
     
  8. peterwhayward

    peterwhayward Senior Member

    Messages:
    857
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Location:
    grays essex
    Your Mercedes:
    E240 classic est 2000 2.4
    Wow you certainly dont mind spending the money on your beautiful CLS.Its a great car and as you say, to you its worth every penny.......good on yer. Enjoy:)
     
  9. S.Speed

    S.Speed Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,063
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Location:
    Lancashire
    Your Mercedes:
    Saab 9-3
    I too can vouch for Comand online as I had a NTG 2.5 retro fitted..

    I REALLY love the interior of you car.. Stunning...
    Have you tried the Blutooth phone yet??
    It really is as good as a hard wired phone.. My car is hard wired as well (it was when I bought it)..

    How does the sound system perform now?
    Do you rate it better than your old one??

    P.S Dont forget you can sell your map update disc on easily..
     
  10. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Bass/Treble functions not terrific on new H/K amp!!!!

    Hello Simon,

    You really motivated me to undertake this task. It involved alot financially but am really pleased if not for anything but the high quality Satnav to match the nice interior of my car. The old NTG 1 Nav was a big let down on my car because everything seemed alright except that the Satnav looked dated.

    That said, I have not been able to get the Tv to show image on the screen despite it being fitted the same day as the NTG 2.5 comand unit. You can hear background noises and people talking but no visual image. I called Mark to explain the situation and he would be having the car back soon to fix this issue.

    For now, I have not seen a big difference between my old Harman Kardon Amplifier and the new H/K amp fitted. I noticed the old one had a nice quality bass. It was really deep and the sound was terrific. The new one is really refined, the clarity of music is on point but it's really lacking bass and treble. I configured the H/K thereby activating the Logic 7 on surround to boost up the bass quality, honestly, the Logic 7 did not improve the bass. I was worried as I have read through the manual which I bought off comandonline and I can't see any other thing I can do to this effect. I called Mark to explain this situation and he will be having the car back soon to verify certain settings. I checked certain forums online and discovered that the new Harman kardon amplifier output is 450 watts while my old H/K amplifier had 350 watts. Why is the bass lacking then?

    I have Bose acoustic at home, this sound system never stops to put a great smile on my face when I listen to real classical & country music. The Bose bass is unbeatable. When I listen to music files on my Ipod via Harman Kardon, the quality output is not great but I discovered that the bass is slightly higher when I play audio formatted MP3 files with higher bit rates. The bass output improved but not great.

    I know you don't have Harman kardon to compare this, so for now, I can't seem to get hold of someone with similar H/K amplifier to compare the results. I guess, I hope to wait until Mark takes the car in for closer verification.

    This issue aside, the unit is really fantastic and I love the screen split feature. While on my way back from Lightwater, I never stopped admiring the rich 3D pictures. I really love it. :)
     
  11. SSR S500

    SSR S500 Senior Member

    Messages:
    481
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2009
    Location:
    London
    Your Mercedes:
    S500/2002/V8
    Alot of money but well worth it if you intend on keeping the car. Looks good
     
  12. MERCSPORT

    MERCSPORT Senior Member

    Messages:
    738
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Location:
    Bedford
    Your Mercedes:
    2009 CLS 350 CDI Grand Edition
    Very nice Mr. Dyke ;)

    Your car is a true rare gem!

    I am sure you will get these small niggles rectified, dont worry the newer Harman Kardon once rectified, you should notice an improvement (or I thought so anyway lol)

    My car does not have it, but my cousin changes his mercs every 3 years, and that's always on the option list, so I personally noticed that...

    ZEE
     
  13. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Harman Kardon Bass Update!!!!

    I drove the car back to Lightwater today and Mark was able to hook the car up to talk to star. The Harman Kardon configuration has been sorted out but Mark made it clear to me that even if the new Harman Kardon Amplifier's output is 450 watts versus 350 watts on the old NTG 1 H/K, the difference in wattage output between the two would be insignificant.

    Though, it's still clear that the new H/K Amp was really ameliorated. It sounds so much better now. The clarity is fabulous and the bass is on point. Also, it's important to know that the bit rate of a music file would determine the level at which deeper bass would play in. I recorded a music and I would post it up on Youtube at my free time. I think I expected too much from the newly fitted H/K Amp and also I constantly compare "Bose" to "Harman Kardon". Don't know why I do that. Probably, because I had Bose in my ex A8 and the sound beat Harman Kardon hands down.

    The Tv image problem has been sorted out as well. It only needed a small cable to wire up the image. When I purchased cables for the Comand NTG 2.5 upgrade, I did not buy this particular cable for the Tv, I guess, I did not precise to the vendor that I had Tv option in my car, otherwise he would have sold that to me as well. Anyway, it's all good now.

    Here are few pictures I took on my way to Lightwater. The Satnav is really great. The 7 digit post-code entry is wonderful and Linguatronic is my favourite. I will try to put up a cockney rhyming accent and see if the Linguatronic understands. :lol::lol:


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Thanks for viewing!!!!!!! [​IMG]
     
  14. S.Speed

    S.Speed Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,063
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Location:
    Lancashire
    Your Mercedes:
    Saab 9-3
    Motorway information

    Mcobinad..
    If you are at all like me then you will eventually find the "Motorway information" ****** annoying..
    It can be switched off..(See page 60 of the manual)..

    As you say the split screen and zoom in on junctions is a very useful feature..

    I am really glad you have upgraded to this..

    Well done.
     
  15. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Simon,

    One feature I did not see in operation is the congestion zone. I thought you would get an indication of red cars queuing during heavy traffic. There was heavy congestion today between M1 & M25 and the comand unit did not show the affected zone. I have ticked all of the options that I would like to see on the comand unit but this one is completely missing. Do you have any idea as to where I can activate this option if it is atall available? :)
     
  16. S.Speed

    S.Speed Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,063
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Location:
    Lancashire
    Your Mercedes:
    Saab 9-3
    I have to be honest and say I know nothing about the congestion charge display (Thank God)..
    I know mine does show queues of cars when there is congestion ahead..
    I can only think that maybe you need to preset "Dynamic Mode" for the route guidance..

    Are you aware that your COMAND looks like the rare multi CD version ???
     
  17. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    Yes, I do know that my Comand unit is a multi 6 DVD loader. I deliberately went for a 6 DVD loader instead of a single Comand unit because I could load as many DVDs as possible on the drive. Although, it was more expensive than the single DVD Comand but that is the price you pay to have an extra.


    When you listen to music on your non H/K stereo, which music file sounds better? The music on a CD or the one from your Ipod? I believe music bit rate is higher on formatted MP3 music on CDs than Ipod. Also, I read somewhere on the manual that the Comand does not support ID3-Tag. On my Ipod, I have loads of album art work from various artists. Could this be the reason why music files from my Ipod have lower bit rate?

    As always Simon, thanks for your anticipated answers. I will play around with the Comand to discover more options.
     
  18. S.Speed

    S.Speed Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,063
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Location:
    Lancashire
    Your Mercedes:
    Saab 9-3
    Firstly I always use "apple lossless" on my iPod.
    The mp3's that I use for my car are ALWAYS recorded at the highest bitrate. (320kbps).
    The Comand unit displays the title of the song and also shows folders.
    For example I have a folder called "queen" and within that folder are 5 other folders with various Queen albums.

    Album artwork is unfortunately NOT displayed on the Comand screen.
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2012
  19. Alps

    Alps Senior Member

    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    Location:
    london\Essex
    Your Mercedes:
    2013 Weistec E63 AMG
    excellent write up for an worthwhile upgrade, as our cars get older the upgrade does get more expensive in proportion to what the car is worth.

    Its still a top upgrade if you can source the parts cheaply enough

    well done!
     
  20. OP
    Mcobinad

    Mcobinad Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Your Mercedes:
    W219 Designo Black paint
    +1.

    You see we are looking at keeping the car in the family. We would not sell her on. Whatever upgrade we do to the W219 is still well worth it in the end even if the cost of the upgrades will slowly grow to be more than the car's worth.

    I very much agree with your point. :)
     

Share This Page