Concrete Tile Dust saga .... time to get tough?

[A.J.]

but people never wore seat belts either until it was law to do so ..... I certainly never did. I also stood up in the back of a car leaning on the back of both front seats .... & yet I lived to tell the tale.

My wife and I must be an exception, we have always worn seat belts even prior to them wearing of them being made law. It was the feeling of self preservation that made us do it.

 

[EmilysDad]

My wife and I must be an exception, we have always worn seat belts even prior to them wearing of them being made law. It was the feeling of self preservation that made us do it.

I didn't say that nobody wore them ..... but if everybody had worn them, we wouldn't have needed the 'clunk clip every trip' slogan

 

[keefysher]

Before rear seatbelts became compulsory I fitted them. They were especially useful for the rear offside passenger when, upon instruction, they opened their door to prevent overtakers!!! I kid you neigh

The best advice I can give in respect of elf n safe tea is 'don't put your finger, where you wouldn't put your dick'

 

[L John]

but people never wore seat belts either until it was law to do so ..... I certainly never did. I also stood up in the back of a car leaning on the back of both front seats .... & yet I lived to tell the tale.

Me too and yes I lived through those times. The odds of surviving in the event of an accident is what it's all about.
There are many accident in cars and on boats every day, most of them survive even without any safety equipment.
The fact is, of the ones that crash or fall into cold or deep water, the odds are much better if safety equipment was used.

I've ridden motorbikes since I was 16 and never bumped my head even once, the worst my helmet has suffered is when I dropped it onto the carpet.
If I never wore a helmet, I could go around telling everyone helmets are not needed, just like your seatbelt comment.
Same with lifejackets.
I could run across the road everyday without looking and without getting run over, would that mean it must be safe?

I'm fine with anyone taking risks themselves but if they are in care of someone else, they need to take all reasonable care..

 

[d215yq]

What about the health aspect? Paying for the car to be cleaned is one thing but i would have thought the main issue was to health. Has the health issue gone now that the builder has paid? Surely the HSE will not drop their investigation on submariners say so.

Having done some tile cutting and building work I read up on the silica health hazard and as with almost all such things once doing 1hr of googling you feel like cutting one tile will kill you, but then once you read the safety sheets and scientific PDF reports you get the context. For silica, exposure is only a problem if 1) you were in a closed factory/mine where they cut tonnes of concrete for weeks on end (acute silicosis) and if not that then 2) if you worked with it all day for at least 10 years. Pretty much all stuff like that will require repeated and highly concentrated exposure (except asbestos, but even then 99.9% of the risk is for repaeated and prolonged exposure and it is very rare (though possible) for one exposure to cause problems).

The HSE rules for the wet cutting are there to protect employees who are doing it all day. The guy was right not to worry about the risks to his children as there isn't any as it's outside and for a few weeks. One cigarette will most likely cause you more damage (in fact if you smoke it actually makes no sense to worry about any of this because that is way more likely to kill you than any building stuff), and atleast building stuff is useful and smoking not.

Doesn't mean the guy is right to not wet cut it or the damage is acceptable but a bit of context is everything. BTW wet cutting is a dust reduction measure but around 10% of the dust will still be produced.

 

[peterws1957]

Having done some tile cutting and building work I read up on the silica health hazard and as with almost all such things once doing 1hr of googling you feel like cutting one tile will kill you, but then once you read the safety sheets and scientific PDF reports you get the context. For silica, exposure is only a problem if 1) you were in a closed factory/mine where they cut tonnes of concrete for weeks on end (acute silicosis) and if not that then 2) if you worked with it all day for at least 10 years. Pretty much all stuff like that will require repeated and highly concentrated exposure (except asbestos, but even then 99.9% of the risk is for repaeated and prolonged exposure and it is very rare (though possible) for one exposure to cause problems).

The HSE rules for the wet cutting are there to protect employees who are doing it all day. The guy was right not to worry about the risks to his children as there isn't any as it's outside and for a few weeks. One cigarette will most likely cause you more damage (in fact if you smoke it actually makes no sense to worry about any of this because that is way more likely to kill you than any building stuff), and atleast building stuff is useful and smoking not.

Doesn't mean the guy is right to not wet cut it or the damage is acceptable but a bit of context is everything. BTW wet cutting is a dust reduction measure but around 10% of the dust will still be produced.

That does put it into some perspective on the health side. Equally I don't want tile/ construction dust all over my property and cars. A fact which my totally ignorant neighbours have blindly ignored over the years.

 

[Capra]

Having done some tile cutting and building work I read up on the silica health hazard and as with almost all such things once doing 1hr of googling you feel like cutting one tile will kill you, but then once you read the safety sheets and scientific PDF reports you get the context. For silica, exposure is only a problem if 1) you were in a closed factory/mine where they cut tonnes of concrete for weeks on end (acute silicosis) and if not that then 2) if you worked with it all day for at least 10 years. Pretty much all stuff like that will require repeated and highly concentrated exposure (except asbestos, but even then 99.9% of the risk is for repaeated and prolonged exposure and it is very rare (though possible) for one exposure to cause problems).

The HSE rules for the wet cutting are there to protect employees who are doing it all day. The guy was right not to worry about the risks to his children as there isn't any as it's outside and for a few weeks. One cigarette will most likely cause you more damage (in fact if you smoke it actually makes no sense to worry about any of this because that is way more likely to kill you than any building stuff), and atleast building stuff is useful and smoking not.

Doesn't mean the guy is right to not wet cut it or the damage is acceptable but a bit of context is everything. BTW wet cutting is a dust reduction measure but around 10% of the dust will still be produced.

Using heath and safety is s great way of sorting the neighbours out. Also, how do you know what the builder is cutting?
10% is fine, we've used this before and it's virtually unnoticeable.