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Does anyone know when dual mass flywheels were introduced in mercedes E class?

My 2007 E220cdi is at 94000 mileas and I need to replace the second dual mass flywheel. The first was replaced at 62,000 mileas and at £1600 this wasa big expense.

I am thinkng of bying an older manual, perhaps petrol. New diesels require so many expensive rapairs.

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I don't, sorry.
Are MB's so bad? Are you sure it's failing...again?

The original DMF on my VAG was OK at 140K and they can easily last 200K.
 
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Hi,

yes it is DMF. I have learned by now. From the first day you can feel that DMF springs are too soft. You can feel oscillations on every gear change. The prings have terribly soften now.

Do you know if petrols also have dual mass flywheel?

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id say theres something amiss here. either its down to the way the car is used (the traffic etc) or a manufacturing defect. DMFs on MB engines will normally last WELL over that. and that's assuming it IS the DMF. usually a 'judder' is a warped/damaged friction plate. if the engine is physically rocking, check/replace the mounts. my 203 had a DMF, we bought it with 7k miles, sold it with over 130k miles and never even THOUGHT about the clutch/DMF on it. and it was NOT a motorway all day every day type of car.
 
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Pete,

I knwo judder well. Judder happes while cluch is engaging. This problem is immediately after it is engaged and it is different. Also if I press cluch at any engine speed other than idle I can hear loud bang.

It is posibly manufacturing defect. When DMF was replaced I immediately complained how soft these springs were.

The first one was replaced very soon after bought the car. So it is not my driving. MB told me that they have replaced "thousands" of DMFs. Clutch was also replaced although it was less than 20% worn.

Internet is full of horror stories about DMF failing in less than 10k miles.

Do you knwo if petrols use DMF?

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That all sounds very odd to me. DMFs are usually expected to last 150-200k. My Golf was on 230k when I sold it with the original flywheel, it has just started presenting a slight clicking noise and my indy reckoned on another 40k before it needed changing.

Right, I just checked, MB have never, ever issued a recall for DMF issues on the E class of all flavours. Not one and that is going back to 1992. If they'll issue a recall for a poor batch of camshafts (19th Nov '15) and wiring harness chafing (6th June '96), or DPF differential pressure sensor failure (19th Jan '06) I think they would have issued a recall for the thousands of DMF failures you quote. They haven't ergo it wasn't a problem bad enough or widespread enough for their In Service Quality team to notice.
 
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I think that my 1996 c220D did not have dual mass flywheel. I never had issues with clutch.

My guess is that clever mercedes engineers introduced DMFs with w211 in 2002 or perhaps with w203 in 1999.

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no idea when they were introduced but ive never had an issue with a DMF. I drove a VW once with a DMF fault (VW parts TPS depot managers car) and at the time it felt like a damaged friction plate, only harsher!
 

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I'm sure I've had cars with dmf before - not really been aware of them per se until we bought a ford smax.

These are known for lasting about 50-60k on the forums due to the heavy weight of the car I believe, they last longer on a mondeo. Ours was noisy but we left it and it got to 80k miles before it completely gave up the ghost. New one has transformed the car tbh, expensive yes but about £800 at a non ford garage

They are fitted to smoothen out Diesel engines tbh as we all want them to be like petrols. Petrol cars I believe don't have them. You can get conversions to change dmf to single plate but the drive will be rougher.
 

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If you'd had a manual Vauxhal Senator (why would you?;)) it would have had a DMF http://www.senator24v.co.uk/flywheel.htm ..... and they didn't put dideasals into Senators

Mmmm, the Senator... there were a few very fast Senators in Germany at one point, one of them is in the Cosford museum now. Wonder what happened to the rest?
 

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Mmmm, the Senator... there were a few very fast Senators in Germany at one point, one of them is in the Cosford museum now. Wonder what happened to the rest?

There was the option of an Irmscher 4.0 though I'm not sure that Blighty was offered it :confused:
 

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Sorry .... I was being dim :( ;)

No need to apologise, not the sort of thing that's common knowledge :D I used to work with one of the Chipmunk pilots, he had some amusing stories to tell.
 

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No need to apologise, not the sort of thing that's common knowledge :D I used to work with one of the Chipmunk pilots, he had some amusing stories to tell.

I'd heard of the 4x4 (Formula Ferguson?) Senator but didn't know the connection
 

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Hi

Does anyone know when dual mass flywheels were introduced in mercedes E class?

My 2007 E220cdi is at 94000 mileas and I need to replace the second dual mass flywheel. The first was replaced at 62,000 mileas and at £1600 this wasa big expense.

I am thinkng of bying an older manual, perhaps petrol. New diesels require so many expensive rapairs.

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this is the first post I've read about DM flywheel on a Merc, one at 94k I would say is very good, if a ford I'd say 20k is normal, driving style / talent will make a big difference as would quality of parts.
 
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this is the first post I've read about DM flywheel on a Merc, one at 94k I would say is very good, if a ford I'd say 20k is normal, driving style / talent will make a big difference as would quality of parts.
 

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