E270cdi gearbox damage - radiator coolant contamination.

[david arthur]

Malcolm,

Like you i thought there may be a mod for a separate cooler, that would cut the cost, i would not have thought it would be that difficult.

 

[television]

Malcolm,

Like you i thought there may be a mod for a separate cooler, that would cut the cost, i would not have thought it would be that difficult.

I do know that some indies are thinking on these lines,,there are many firms out there that make coolers for cars that tow and a separate one could be OK and safe, have a world with you indie on his thoughts on a towing type

 

[david arthur]

A thought though Malcolm, would it have an adverse affect on running temperature, mpg, if the rad leaks are you still going down the road of replacement.

OK, you will not have problems with Glycol ruining tork converters & gearboxes.

 

[television]

A thought though Malcolm, would it have an adverse affect on running temperature, mpg, if the rad leaks are you still going down the road of replacement.

OK, you will not have problems with Glycol ruining tork converters & gearboxes.

I did think about running temps when I posted,, that said the box is being held back on reaching any temp as it is partly governed from the temp of the engine water,, but it could never leak

 

[david arthur]

I wonder Malcolm,


Do they use the same type of rad in the new E-Class,
i had a look at the new E when i called in to Mercedes Nottingham, must say i was not impressed, you were sat down low and the dash was a retrograde backward step.

 

[television]

Many models and many maker use a combined rad,,and in answer to that many other cars and even MB's not on the list like the 220 have had failures,,it was just the firm valeo that had a manufacturing fault,,it could happen to any car with a combined rad

 

[Alex Crow]

on the subject of the air/oil cooler suggestion, i now know a transmission specialist company that actually recommend and fit air/oil coolers to MB cars with 722.6 boxes. the company are called Technical Automatic Services, and are based in essex, innit. they say they have been fitting these for some time now and have had no problems with vehicles doing eg long haul towing to the european hot spots.

 

[david arthur]

What does annoy me Malcolm is this,

Not once has Mercedes recalled these cars to replace the rads, and i think i read that there were 10,000 cars affected, if they had it may have saved them some money in actual fact i don't think they have even acknowledged they have a problem, after all if you have a car as old as mine if you have to renew a tork converter and gearbox you are getting to the price when its not uneconomic to do so. There has been a lot of bad press for Toyota recently, but there fault though serious, would not cost the customer lets say
£6,000 the cost of a new tork converter and gearbox or there abouts.

 

[david arthur]

I think reading my posts you would think that i hate my W211, but the opposite is true, i love it, the black beast, i like the way it drives that three pointed star, so i want to keep it in pristine condition for as long as i can, one of my cars no longer in my ownership a BMW E34 525i in alpine white with red leather upholstery 65000 miles when i sold it, no rust pristine never ever had a thing go wrong in all the years i had it.

I never ever thought that this car was going to cost me serious money in repairs, perhaps i was lucky i don't know. I did love that car

 

[david arthur]

Well once again to get the quote for a new rad from Mercedes Nottingham, i had to ring them. That means 5 times they will ring back 5 times they have not, and thats over a period of a week.

Any way the outcome is, to replace the radiator flush the tork converter and gearbox £1,200 pounds even though its not leaked yet.

I did ask about a contribution from Mercedes being that its only done 30,000 but as i expected, has it got full Mercedes service history yes but for one stamp, you will have to contact Mercedes customer care said service manager but i dought you will get any ware its not broken yet.

 

[television]

That price is silly to change the rad,and it does not need a flush

 

[david arthur]

Hi Malcolm,

My thoughts exactly, i said it does not need a flush, it has not leaked yet, there was a pause, well we like to do a proper job was his reply.

The radiator he has priced for is a valio and thats £590 alone, plus fitting and flushing

 

[television]

Hi Malcolm,

My thoughts exactly, i said it does not need a flush, it has not leaked yet, there was a pause, well we like to do a proper job was his reply.

The radiator he has priced for is a valio and thats £590 alone, plus fitting and flushing

You can get it done much cheaper than that from an indie using a nissens rad or Behr

 

[david arthur]

I do not intend paying that Malcolm they are having a laugh, i have asked my Indy for a quote. He hasn't a good word for Mercedes Nottingham. At least i know if he does it i will not have a problem.

 

[Xtractorfan]

It would really be unwise to exchange a valeo rad and refit the same make.. I wonder has anyone taken one of these rads apart and got to the cause of the leakage.. I'v heard corrosion, but surely the internals of a properly fluid filled rad shouldn't corrode.

 

[television]

It would really be unwise to exchange a valeo rad and refit the same make.. I wonder has anyone taken one of these rads apart and got to the cause of the leakage.. I'v heard corrosion, but surely the internals of a properly fluid filled rad shouldn't corrode.

It is to do with the crimping that weakens or pieces the part that it is crimped to

 

[Xtractorfan]

So in effect a manufacturing fault then..

 

[david arthur]

Yes exactly, a manufacturing fault which we have to pay for, and they recalled all those Toyota's, for a 1p piece of metal and yet Mercedes don't want to know.

 

[david arthur]

Hi fellow members,

Well looking on e-bay they have a nissens rad, part number 62797A £240 plus pounds. Question are they all right quality wise,a bit different to the £590 for a valio from Mercedes.

 

[Alex Crow]

keeping on topic (just), two questions...

1. what year did the glycol problems start?

2. what year did MB change to long life (15yrs) coolant?

if i am right, the two coincide...