General Election...June 8

[geraldrobins]

Currently care at home is not charged for...that's the difference.

It will be very interesting to see the cost of a 15 minutes call at home. It will also be interesting to see how they cope when people demand they stay for 15 minutes not just waltz in and out in 5 minutes (been there, seen it).

I think you will find home care is charged for. Nursing care is not charged for but thats different and I'm not sure how this will be affected. Some of my elderly relatives had to pay for their care such as bathing and meal preparation. (5 minutes in the microwave maybe)

 

[davemercedes]

Currently care at home is not charged for...that's the difference.

It will be very interesting to see the cost of a 15 minutes call at home. It will also be interesting to see how they cope when people demand they stay for 15 minutes not just waltz in and out in 5 minutes (been there, seen it).[/QUOTE]

That's not true either - care and assistance at home is chargeable. I wrote a long post about what he went through with my mum in law and first, "the stupid woman" had been frugal all her life and so I had to use her funds to pay it then later, the monthly cost of the care home. - I had to instruct the DSS home help to fill in time sheets when I saw "blanket" bills going out of her account.

As someone has posted earlier, under the current arrangement you (or your inheritors) have to pay every charge up to the point where the residual is at or below £24,000 Fortunately, my mum in lw had gone pretty gaga by the end so she didn't realise what was happening - she would have been devastated if she knew. The Tories had said (and one of the soothsayers was Bumbling Boris!) that they would look at introducing a cap and I do vaguely recall mention of £1 or 200,000.

But if you believe the media hype the dementia tax was slipped into the manifesto by Mrs Maybe the U-Turn Specialist herself - without the knowledge of her cabinet see:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ministers-theresa-may-poll-lead-a7748651.html

It says that Bumbling Boris and Damian Green both refused to say whether the Cabinet was briefed ahead of the policy announcement.

But it seem the great unwashed British Public are becoming very concerned - the polls (yes I know about "polls" too...) show that she has halved her lead.

SURPRISE! Mrs Maybe the U-turn Specialist is now wriggling to get off the hook:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-idUKKBN18H14R
May climbs down on 'dementia tax' plans after poll lead halves

Do you really want this woman to run our Brexit negotiations?
- By my reckoning she'd change her mind ten times in the first week!

 

[Naraic]

Currently care at home is not charged for...that's the difference.

It will be very interesting to see the cost of a 15 minutes call at home. It will also be interesting to see how they cope when people demand they stay for 15 minutes not just waltz in and out in 5 minutes (been there, seen it).

That's not true either - care and assistance at home is chargeable. I wrote a long post about what he went through with my mum in law and first, "the stupid woman" had been frugal all her life and so I had to use her funds to pay it then later, the monthly cost of the care home. - I had to instruct the DSS home help to fill in time sheets when I saw "blanket" bills going out of her account.

As someone has posted earlier, under the current arrangement you (or your inheritors) have to pay every charge up to the point where the residual is at or below £24,000 Fortunately, my mum in lw had gone pretty gaga by the end so she didn't realise what was happening - she would have been devastated if she knew. The Tories had said (and one of the soothsayers was Bumbling Boris!) that they would look at introducing a cap and I do vaguely recall mention of £1 or 200,000.

But if you believe the media hype the dementia tax was slipped into the manifesto by Mrs Maybe the U-Turn Specialist herself - without the knowledge of her cabinet see:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ministers-theresa-may-poll-lead-a7748651.html[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's a regional thing. My in-laws both required home visits but there was no charge. However, their assets (not including their house) were less than £10,000. So, under the new system they would have to pay until the value of the house was reduced to £100,000 (or £200,000 for two of them?).

 

[LostKiwi]

Anyone want to bet on another U-turn...?

 

[Craiglxviii]

It just happened.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...tion-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html?amp

 

[LostKiwi]

It just happened.

Remember what I said about poor planning resulting in her having to do U-turns?
This is a classic example.
Anyone want to bet on another U-turn after the election to put it back as it was again?

Even Yes Minister was more organised than this...

 

[Craiglxviii]

We know that Trump has taken an extreme initial position in order to secure an advantage during subsequent negotiations. Many examples of this now.

This talk of U turns does make me wonder if May is trying to do the same thing.

 

[Xtractorfan]

It just goes to show how strong and stable she is. Her sat nav must be really ****ed off. Just imagine if she comes up against it in the Brexit negotiations, she will go home do a few U TURNS and then huff for a while. You know you want to vote for Jeremy.

 

[Frontstep]

I've never been part of the EU so Brexit won't affect me as much as some of you (my rights in Europe will be exactly as they were).
A benefit of being an immigrant.
I still can be a part of the EU if I want. There's always France for me

As for Boris - you say in one breath those who castigate him for his bumbling efforts at everything haven't achieved as much but then go off on a total tangent about blaming his parents for being successful and giving him a start when its pointed out that perhaps a lot of his 'success' is down to being given more opportunities than most people (and being born into the 'elite').

SO what is he then as I'm confused by what you're trying to say? Is he a more successful individual than most who criticise him because of his abilities or is he just a average member of the 'elite' who has had most of it gifted to him by luck of birth?

So just remind me/us why you keep complaining about the Brexit vote its interesting for people who are actually affected by it ?

Boris my stance is clear, he has achieved a lot and is clearly more intelligent and more successful than most of his detractors.
One of your fellow remoaners keeps revealing a singular lack of understanding about foreign trade with the "beating a path quote"

Is it essential to know nothing of trade and not be affected by the EU to be a supporter ?

it would appear to be.

What on earth does "elite" mean ?
Many have the same background, so what.

 

[Xtractorfan]

We know that Trump has taken an extreme initial position in order to secure an advantage during subsequent negotiations. Many examples of this now.

This talk of U turns does make me wonder if May is trying to do the same thing.

Its also possible aliens are influencing the election and may have written that into the Manifesto or the Man-itfesters
Nothing has changed lol

 

[Frontstep]

It just goes to show how strong and stable she is. Her sat nav must be really ****ed off. Just imagine if she comes up against it in the Brexit negotiations, she will go home do a few U TURNS and then huff for a while. You know you want to vote for Jeremy.

I do hear quite a few people who support his policies and might possible vote for him but look round at his potential cabinet and are turned off.
Still if Theresa keeps upsetting her core vote he can stack a few more votes than expected under his cap.

 

[LostKiwi]

So just remind me/us why you keep complaining about the Brexit vote its interesting for people who are actually affected by it ?

My interest in Brexit is down to my living here. The impact of Brexit therefore has the potential to affect me in that way however it has no impact on my ability to move round the EU nor ability to live there. British citizens will be impacted on those things as well as the things that impact me. If this is a disaster I have a life raft. Many here will not.

Boris my stance is clear, he has achieved a lot and is clearly more intelligent and more successful than most of his detractors.
One of your fellow remoaners keeps revealing a singular lack of understanding about foreign trade with the "beating a path quote"

And as has been said previously he had a more advantageous start than most people. How many others could have done as well or better than he has with the same start?
There is no doubt that he is intelligent but then so are many idiot-savants.

I seem to recall "beating a path" was first coined by the public faces of the brexquitter
camp, specifically the mighty Farago.

Is it essential to know nothing of trade and not be affected by the EU to be a supporter ?

it would appear to be.

If you're referring to me how do you know what I do or don't know? Irrespective there is more to this world than just trade but then it does seem you see the world in black and white

What on earth does "elite" mean ?
Many have the same background, so what.

I seem to recall the term 'elite' was coined by brexquitters to describe the current political ruling classes (specifically it may even have been the mighty Farago - ironically himself a member of that same elite having ridden the EU gravy train for 17 years). Maybe you can tell us what it means if we remain supporters have it wrong?

I'm surprised you don't remember all Nigel's little sound bites being as you're such an ardent brexquitter. I seriously hope you haven't got dementia as under your friendly Conservative government it could cost you a fortune!

 

[davemercedes]

BBC 1 "Election 2017" : -

As I type Mrs Maybe is struggling to give the lie to her u-turn on the Andrew Neill show and when asked where the promised extra £8 Bn for the NHS will come from she can't answer.... she's ducking and diving and saying "the economy will be strong" and "let me be perfectly clear".

I think she may be gone before the election. She just got asked about "the highest inflation for years" and she avoided the question and got on to her "Just about Managing" (and totally meaningless) high horse.

How many pensioners will lose their fuel allowance said Neil Mrs Maybe: "Waffle..." we will consult"...

"Nett migration is higher now!" said Neil. "Waffle" said Mrs Maybe. Now she's trying the "Who do you trust for Brexit" card.

Neill is having none on it and counters with current facts.

He said: On these two issues you have failed to keep your promises"

She switches to the Brexit discussion. She's more squirmy than an eel.

He just challenged her "bad deal is better than no deal" and she's struggling and waffling around.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Anyone just watched the car crash of Teresa Maybe trying to avoid answering how they will fund an £8 billion funding to the NHS..Turns out its not new money its coming from other services, also doesnt accept she was rubbish at keeping immigration down when she was Home sec.. and you guys think she is the one who should run this country...eekkssssss oh and the JAMs she has taken £280 per year off them in benefits because she wants to make things better for them..

 

[AMGeed]

Anyone just watched the car crash of Teresa Maybe trying to avoid answering how they will fund an £8 billion funding to the NHS..Turns out its not new money its coming from other services, also doesnt accept she was rubbish at keeping immigration down when she was Home sec.. and you guys think she is the one who should run this country...eekkssssss oh and the JAMs she has taken £280 per year off them in benefits because she wants to make things better for them..

Theresa May is showing she is inept under pressure. Doesn't bode well for the Brexit negotitions that she will undoubtably lead.

Despite the wobbles, I wouldn't vote for Corbyns labour party in a million years. Imagine a cabinet with O'Donnell and Abbott in top positions. Both would need an abacus if they got the chancellors job. I look forward to Corbyn being questioned by Andrew Neil.

BTW, change your signature, your comrade troll is gone for good.

 

[LostKiwi]

Just watched it on iplayer. That did her no favours at all.

 

[davemercedes]

Problem is there is no pleasure here. She is held up as the "best we've got".
- Gawd help us.

 

[Yugguy]

Least worst we've got maybe. There are swathes of Tory policy I don't agree with, but Corbyn is too red and the Libdems are making lovely sounding promises in the knowledge they'll never be called on to actually fulfill them.

 

[coxyhog]

That is the problem....I remember when May was supposed to be running the Home Office and I thought she was pretty useless,but looking at the alternatives I don't think there is one.

 

[triumphstag]

You know you want to vote for Jeremy.

I don't, no one in their right mind would support that idiotic, cowardly, terrorist supporting scumbag.