Great Policing....for me!

[vtaylor78]

Why do you ask?

Through experience i think it would have an impact on the officers decision.

 

[ernieh]

Through experience i think it would have an impact on the officers decision.

Thanks for the explanation. He asked me if I was local and told him 'no'. I think the fact that I was within the 30 limit, albeit outside the 20 probably swung it.

As regards my accent, it definitely isn't Fife (where KInross is) but not truly East of Scotland, being born in Kent although that was a long time ago!

Ernie

 

[L John]

...I think the fact that I was within the 30 limit, albeit outside the 20 probably swung it.

From earlier posts I'm wondering if a 20 with flashing lights is enforcable.
If it is advisory, they probably can only prosecute if you exceed the 30.

I always keep to speed limits in 20,s 30's and 40's, sat nav speed (i.e. actual real speed, not indicated by the speedo).
When I'm in a 20, I usually get a train of cars behind me as they all join the queue and have to slow down to the speed limit.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Scottish coppers aren't known for their affection towards Motorists who tend to be just passing thru'.

 

[vtaylor78]

From earlier posts I'm wondering if a 20 with flashing lights is enforcable.
If it is advisory, they probably can only prosecute if you exceed the 30.

I always keep to speed limits in 20,s 30's and 40's, sat nav speed (i.e. actual real speed, not indicated by the speedo).
When I'm in a 20, I usually get a train of cars behind me as they all join the queue and have to slow down to the speed limit.

I’ve just spoken to a close friend who is a traffic officer, and Yes they can Enforce in a 20mph area but rarely do.

 

[Blobcat]

Scottish coppers aren't known for their affection towards Motorists who tend to be just passing thru'.

The Borders ones are particularly short of money so any opportunity for revenue on the 74 is welcomed with open speed camera

 

[Ken_R]

I’ve just spoken to a close friend who is a traffic officer, and Yes they can Enforce in a 20mph area but rarely do.

A former colleague of mine, in a general conversation, once mentioned that the 20mph limit is not enforceable (i.e. Prosecuteable). The conversation then changed and 'the moment' passed.

Looking on an Insurance website,

How You Got A SP20 Conviction Code
You will receive an SP20 endorsement on your licence for exceeding the speed limit in a vehicle that is not a goods vehicle or passenger vehicle. Examples of vehicles in this class include specialist vehicles, such as heavy plant machinery, street sweepers, or tanks. While often the result of an accident, conviction will result in points on your licence.

Things may be different in Scotland.

More research needed!

Of course, much may well depend on what appeared on the F.P. Notices (for a particular Force) when they were originally printed. If some Administrative 'Desk Jockey' failed to include a Penalty for 20mph offences, before sending it off for Printing, then they [the Force], are not going to 'bin' something like 2-3 years supply of F.P. Notices for the sake of a relatively low level offence.

If the recorded speed through the section of road is sufficient to justify a 30mph offence, assuming 30mph is either end of the 20mph section, which of course, isn't always the case, then there is little reason for that not to be used instead.

 

[ernieh]

From earlier posts I'm wondering if a 20 with flashing lights is enforcable.
If it is advisory, they probably can only prosecute if you exceed the 30.

I always keep to speed limits in 20,s 30's and 40's, sat nav speed (i.e. actual real speed, not indicated by the speedo).
When I'm in a 20, I usually get a train of cars behind me as they all join the queue and have to slow down to the speed limit.

As I understand it, 'flashing 20s' around schools, etc, are enforceable, as others have said. However, the green 'Twenty's Plenty' which we also have is advisory and are often found in housing estates where you wouldn't want to exceed 20 in any case, when there are likely to be kids about the streets.

I was glad to get away with a slap on the wrist, but wouldn't bank on it in the future.

Ernie

ps This discussion once again demonstrates the value of this forum where we can share experiences that might help others to avoid them.

Ernie

 

[rf065]

A former colleague of mine, in a general conversation, once mentioned that the 20mph limit is not enforceable (i.e. Prosecuteable).

I believe this was true when they were first introduced, but some of them were brought into law some years later and you can be prosecuted just like any other speed limit.

 

[ardaelius]

bus lanes, in leicester it will cost £98 to use one, in the motor that is any advance on 98.

 

[umblecumbuz]

I thought that in Scotland, two policemen were required before a prosecution can proceed.
Not sure ... but then I am a scot.

 

[ernieh]

I thought that in Scotland, two policemen were required before a prosecution can proceed.
Not sure ... but then I am a scot.

Yes, it needs two of them to corroborate the reading on the speed gun. Two were present when I was stopped...one speaking to me, the other on the phone presumably checking details.

Ernie

 

[Steve@Avantgarde]

A former colleague of mine, in a general conversation, once mentioned that the 20mph limit is not enforceable (i.e. Prosecuteable). The conversation then changed and 'the moment' passed.

Looking on an Insurance website,



Things may be different in Scotland.

More research needed!

Of course, much may well depend on what appeared on the F.P. Notices (for a particular Force) when they were originally printed. If some Administrative 'Desk Jockey' failed to include a Penalty for 20mph offences, before sending it off for Printing, then they [the Force], are not going to 'bin' something like 2-3 years supply of F.P. Notices for the sake of a relatively low level offence.

If the recorded speed through the section of road is sufficient to justify a 30mph offence, assuming 30mph is either end of the 20mph section, which of course, isn't always the case, then there is little reason for that not to be used instead.

My bro in law has been nicked twice this year by the plastic non coppers in speed camera vans, 26 and 25 mph respectively. Same prize and points for doing 35-39 in a 30mph.

 

[Steve@Avantgarde]

Yes, it needs two of them to corroborate the reading on the speed gun. Two were present when I was stopped...one speaking to me, the other on the phone presumably checking details.

Ernie

Not anymore if the traffic car has ANPR, radar detection, calibrated digital speedo with supporting video monitoring and is on comms whilst following. The evidence from the vehicle is enough.

 

[sonic]

If it was the local police they will almost certainly not be authorised for speed offences.

 

[ernieh]

If it was the local police they will almost certainly not be authorised for speed offences.

Traffic police with motorbikes sitting on standby....just in case!

 

[ernieh]

Not anymore if the traffic car has ANPR, radar detection, calibrated digital speedo with supporting video monitoring and is on comms whilst following. The evidence from the vehicle is enough.

Scotland is different from England; very unusual to see a single Traffic copper on patrol here.

Someone just told me the other day that their speed guns don't record below 30...not sure if I want to test it out though!

Ernie

 

[SmartAmg]

You got off SCOT free. (Get it?)

That must have been a friendly copper. I’ve never really been pulled myself, but a lot of people told me that coppers are horrible to motorists.


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They are, well the one I got
anyway .

 

[Jasandjules]

A warning is fair enough. Close to a school is one area where I do agree on a very low speed limit.

You can make the limit as low as you want. The school run drivers however will ignore it. They will continue to drive fast, without looking, they will overtake outside the school whilst kids are leaving, parking on the kerb, reverse down the pavement where kids are walking etc etc.

Oh, guess who used to have a house on a school road......

 

[AMGeed]

You can make the limit as low as you want. The school run drivers however will ignore it. They will continue to drive fast, without looking, they will overtake outside the school whilst kids are leaving, parking on the kerb, reverse down the pavement where kids are walking etc etc.

Oh, guess who used to have a house on a school road......

The police know where to set up speed cameras and the council know where to patrol for illegal parking then.
That is what happens at my Grandsons school.