Jeremy Corbyn.

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^ You are PWR in disguise and I claim my £25. Only he kept banging the same drum.

I always have a wry smile now every time you reply to a post denouncing your hero telling us like a broken record we are only reading Tory propaganda.
You do have a point in stating Corbyn's Labour party shocked the Tories last election. They thought it would be a walkover (I did too) but got an almightly shock at how close it was.
But.......in 4 years time when the next election is due, I wonder how many of those students who were duped on an empty promise will vote for them again? They won't get fooled again.
Remember,the Tory election campaign was a disaster and who still failed to win?

You would have to be certified to think Labour's economic promises stand up. They cannot promise what the country cannot afford unless Ms Abbott is going to be Chancellor:rolleyes:. From what I've read he likes the Venezuela economic policy.


This is the man you'd have as the next PM?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-a-venezuela-problem/?utm_term=.2a6caa562580

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...chard-burgon-us-ken-livingstone-a7875451.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/863679/jeremy-corbyn-Venezuela-socialism-nicolas-maduro
We shall come back to this after the next electrocution of Mayhem, once by her own Tory party (just like sale of the century Maggie) and then by the labour Party... For real lives being lost and people being starved to death just have a look at the Saudis and how they are bombing and killing the people of Yemen with arms supplied by our good selves and not a Marxist in sight...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29319423
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nment-us-donald-trump-obama-aid-a7643066.html
Wots you think Alfie, or maybe that doesn't count.
The Prw jibe only goes to show how delusional you are.
 

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. For real lives being lost and people being starved to death just have a look at the Saudis and how they are bombing and killing the people of Yemen with arms supplied by our good selves and not a Marxist in sight...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29319423
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nment-us-donald-trump-obama-aid-a7643066.html
Wots you think Alfie, or maybe that doesn't count.
The Prw jibe only goes to show how delusional you are.

I suggest you go back and look at previous Governments to see they have all sold arms to the likes of Saudi, Libya, Zimbabwe etc.
Your links are nothing new. I think you are the delusional one thinking Corbyn will form the next government.
 

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The trouble with Corbyn & all career politicians of all parties is that they have NO idea what the real world is like.They are all just feathering their own nests whilst we the tax payer subsidise it.
 
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"In 1966, with the British economy struggling, Harold Wilson's Labour government set up the Defence Export Services Organisation (Deso). Part of the Ministry of Defence, but employing arms company executives as well as civil servants, Deso quickly learned to chase export orders without too many scruples. "Bribery has always played a role in the sale of weapons," Denis Healey, Wilson's defence secretary when Deso was established, told this newspaper in 2007. "In the Middle East, people couldn't buy weapons unless you bribed them to do so, and that was particularly true in Saudi Arabia."

C&P from the Guardian as I wondered if anyone had clean hands, no it appears.
 

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A million pound house in London is hardly the stuff of dreams.
£100,000 salary won't set the capital alight either.

Not sure you could have missed my point more!!!!!

He continually preaches about state schooling and how Grammers should not be brought back as they are elitist YET he sends his son to private school which is perfectly elitist but then when you quoted my post you conveniently deleted that point, smacks of someone that is saying what people want to hear to garner public support.

Oh an my apologies, his salary is £137k plus expenses which include a Tax Free (no BIK) car and driver and he doesn't consider himself wealthy so someone earning £20k has no chance
 
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I didn't miss anything, you mentioned his house and salary, neither are extraordinary in London as for private education I think you will find that was against his wishes.
He is leader of the opposition (somehow or other)

Still don't like him.
 

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Corbyn is without question stupid. He has no idea about real life for anyone either rich or poor. It is a great shame that he and his momentum bullies have set about destroying the labour party. The party has some good intelligent people within it but sadly they are being sidelined so the bullies can take over.

Mcdonnell is a committed marxist liar. He criticises the offshore tax avoiders yet his pension is invested off shore. He cites the guardian as a paragon of virtue yet they themselves are registered off shore.

Anyone who genuinely thinks that the Corbyn, McDonnel and Abbott team can run a country effectively is as stupid as the three of them. there are people within labour who are capable but its certainly not those three!

Those who chose to partronise me about my age have never met me.
 

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Makes me laugh when someone uses the word "old" as an insult. It ISN'T!!! I like being 47. I know my likes and dislikes, I dont have to sport a bird's nest beard and skinny jeans in order to fit in. I no longer waste my time worrying about conforming to other people's expectations.
 

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Makes me laugh when someone uses the word "old" as an insult. It ISN'T!!! I like being 47. I know my likes and dislikes, I dont have to sport a bird's nest beard and skinny jeans in order to fit in. I no longer waste my time worrying about conforming to other people's expectations.
Compared to many of us 'Old buggers' on here you are positively still in the flush of youth :rolleyes:
 

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I'm positively looking forward to becoming a Grumpy Old Man.
 

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His speech to the CBI yesterday was quite good, admittedly they wouldn't have liked his idea of bringing the rail and utilities back into public ownership, because they will see it as affecting their ability to screw the people and make profit from them.
We really do need a two tier utility and railroad system, public ownership for those who can't afford to pay sky high prices for energy and water and rail travel, and a business run system where those who feel that they would like to become free enterprise backers, could go with the privately owned business models... It would be a fantastic exercise just to see how many business people would pay more for the same, but more expensive supply.
This Country needs to change big time and it needs a big shake up, We cannot go on bowing and KowTowing to the same masters , so therefore changes will be good.
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I have no problem with a publicly run railway nor utilities the privatisation of which has been an expensive cock up.
Must admit I can't fathom out the practicalities of a two tier railroad system though.
The other one is that making a profit is "screwing people"
I also don't kow tow to any one ever.
Tell me who do you kow tow to ?
 

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Where is he going to get the money from to buy it all back? Another pie in the sky idea!!!
 

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Correlation is not causation.

The current system does not suit a proportion of the population therefore it needs to change, therefore change is good.

That’s some mighty strange logic...

How about, the frequently, demonstrably best way to allow the proportion of the population who (cannot afford to use) is to increase the numbers in work and at the same time, increase the productivity of those jobs so that salaries can make ends meet and more? That then allows those people to make choices as to how their income is redistributed and therefore what systems they choose to use.

Me, personally I detest travelling by train because I have to share a carriage with other people, and I’m an unsociable c*** ;)
 

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Where is he going to get the money from to buy it all back? Another pie in the sky idea!!!

McDonnell was promoting more lending like big business to improve infrastructure, that is irresponsible to my mind and continues to pass the buck to future generations. For the world in general to do this is unsustainable and there must be a collapse of that set up at some point.

What McDonnell doesn't see is that when a business lends to expand it will be with a view to future profits justifying the risk. A country just shells out dosh that isn't going to be returned in the same way.
He also doesn't consider that many a business will falter and the creditors will attempt to recover the debt from other assets or write it off.
If he and the Labour party are willing to put up personal financial assurances that are enough to satisfy the creditors then I like his plan, might have to get Abbott to calculate that business plan though.
 

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Atleast "borrowing for infrastructure" is better than borrowing to pay benefits and tax cuts and other goodies that disappear the moment they're paid. Spain is something of a poster child for irresponsible borrowing but atleast they invested it in infrastructure projects. The headlines concentrate on the white elephants (like an airport which only opens 2 days a week as is in a place you would never need one) but 99% was on really useful public infrastructure. So yes, we may be bankrupt and current/future generations will pay for it but atleast we have world class roads, railways, airports and hospitals which we can all enjoy for a good while. Compare that to the UK where it's also bankrupt but just has a bigger army of people reliant on the dole/tax credits than ever. Borrowing for infrastructure is similar to buying a house, yes it may go down in value or may not all pan out perfectly but you'll always have some kind of long term asset, borrowing to pay benefits/tax cuts is like borrowing to buy a new car. In 3 years you'll still be in debt and have nothing to show for it other than an apetite for only buying shiny new cars from then onwards.
 

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You ignore that as you (we) build up infrastructure you also develop an requirement to maintain it, at a cost.
I can appreciate that improving infrastructure makes life easier, in theory. And it creates employment, advantageous if that is mainly home grown employees but that more often isn't the case. We tend to find the cheapest out there and aid that countries export economy.
I don't promote a third world environment as the infrastructure decays just a careful consideration of maintaining and perhaps developing the priorities.

You call it bankrupt, I don't disagree but consider more about us continuing to live beyond our means, and we have been for decades. Reliant on debt and an increasing debt at that, there is a point where too much money is needed to service that debt and isn't to the benefit of those needing the money today. The elders, me being one, have had the dosh and enjoyed it. The politicians continue to disguise the economic truth and this is at the expense of the younger and future generations.

While I don't trust the 'facts' given by the Tories at least there has been a more realistic narrative for some time that we must tighten our belts and this will mean some pain. Labour just want to entice the kiddies with more sweets and promises of a sunny playground. The continual waffle that the Tories are evil for depriving the youth, and others, today is tiresome. That gives more chance of a sustainable tomorrow.
 

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I always vote labour because I believe the NHS is safe with them, after all it was created by them. The NHS is probably my primary concern when voting as it has never been in such a state as it is now with Jeremy (c)hunt at that helm.

The tories are running it into the ground and painting the picture that it's too expensive and inefficient and that we can't afford it so they can sell chunks of it off to their pals. What they mean when they say it's inefficient is that it's inefficient at earing them money personally.

A recent study published in the royal journal of medicine found that out of 30 developed countries including America, the NHS saved more lives per pound spent than any other healthcare system in the world apart from Ireland. Meanwhile Americas healthcare system was among the least efficient. It's a ridiculous idea that we have money for high speed rail and bombs for foreign countries but not something which is good at what it does.

The tories will tell you that NHS funding has never been higher. however when you look at NHS funding vs GDP, it's on the longest decline in its history.
 


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