New Member 190E Auto problem

[fly_ac]

Hi to everyone, I am a new member to this forum and would appreciate any help related to my problem.

I have a 1993 190E 2.0 Auto. The other day it refused to go into Park. I removed the oil pan as I could not see anything on the outside of the box that can cause the problem. On the underside/inside I found that there is what looks like a valve that prevents the link to move forward. I touched the valve with my hand and it returned to it's position. I can seem to see anything that can cause this. The linkages can now move freely, has anyone had a problem like this before, and will this happen again?

Thanks in advance.

 

[mattkh]

Did the valve look easy to replace ?

 

[television]

Here is the rear extention that contains the parking pawl.

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...M=717.404&CT=GA&cat=08R&SID=27&SGR=090&SGN=06


Go to this site

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...M=717.404&CT=GA&cat=08R&SID=27&SGR=090&SGN=06

Look up your 201 car,then auto, its all there. maybe you can work it out.

Welcome to the forum. Malcolm

 

[eric242340]

Hi to everyone, I am a new member to this forum and would appreciate any help related to my problem.

I have a 1993 190E 2.0 Auto. The other day it refused to go into Park. I removed the oil pan as I could not see anything on the outside of the box that can cause the problem. On the underside/inside I found that there is what looks like a valve that prevents the link to move forward. I touched the valve with my hand and it returned to it's position. I can seem to see anything that can cause this. The linkages can now move freely, has anyone had a problem like this before, and will this happen again?

Thanks in advance.

You say you took the pan down, is the valve shown on Malcolms post of the parking pawl mechanism? or is it near where the selector mechanism enters the valve body?

 

[fly_ac]

Did the valve look easy to replace ?

I'm not to sure if it is easy to replace?

Here is the rear extention that contains the parking pawl.

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...M=717.404&CT=GA&cat=08R&SID=27&SGR=090&SGN=06
Go to this site
http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...M=717.404&CT=GA&cat=08R&SID=27&SGR=090&SGN=06

Look up your 201 car,then auto, its all there. maybe you can work it out.

Welcome to the forum. Malcolm

Thanks for the feedback. I don't see it in the diagrahms though.

You say you took the pan down, is the valve shown on Malcolms post of the parking pawl mechanism? or is it near where the selector mechanism enters the valve body?

No it's not there in the diagrams.:cry:

The gear selector on the inside of the gearbox has what looks like an L shape (it is part of the selector arm) towards the rear or the gearbox. This L shape got stuck against this valve, preventing the selector to move forward into the park position. If the selector is in the park position then this L shape arm is next to this valve, basically. It looked like the valve casing that moved out of place.

 

[television]

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb0.asp?TP=1

Sorry I gave you the wrong link for the rest of the box,I only gave the one with the parking pawl in the extension.

Go to the auto box on the 201 for your car and the rest of the box is there

find the bit that you refer to and post back


Malcolm

 

[eric242340]

I'm not to sure if it is easy to replace?



Thanks for the feedback. I don't see it in the diagrahms though.



No it's not there in the diagrams.:cry:

The gear selector on the inside of the gearbox has what looks like an L shape (it is part of the selector arm) towards the rear or the gearbox. This L shape got stuck against this valve, preventing the selector to move forward into the park position. If the selector is in the park position then this L shape arm is next to this valve, basically. It looked like the valve casing that moved out of place.

From what you have just posted I dont think you will have any more problems like this one.Sometimes the main selector valve in the valve body does stick. But on one transmission it may happen once in the whole life of that transmission. so dont worry too much.

 

[television]

From what you have just posted I dont think you will have any more problems like this one.Sometimes the main selector valve in the valve body does stick. But on one transmission it may happen once in the whole life of that transmission. so dont worry too much.

I thought that you were too tired to answer any more.

malcolm

 

[fly_ac]

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb0.asp?TP=1

Sorry I gave you the wrong link for the rest of the box,I only gave the one with the parking pawl in the extension.

Go to the auto box on the 201 for your car and the rest of the box is there

find the bit that you refer to and post back


Malcolm

Thanks fot the link.

But I don't find it there. The housing where this valve is inside, bolts onto the intermediate plate, between the valve body and the rear section of the gearbox. In this link http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...17.411412&CT=GA&cat=08R&SID=27&SGR=120&SGN=07, the housing I am refering to is, looks like no5 in the third diagram. The "valve" is on the left hand side, but you cant see it in this picture.

 

[television]

Its not funny taking this down without a real sure answer to your problem,and it is not easy to find someone that has this knowledge.

the link now is for some indepéndent auto box repaires,I feel sure that if there is one near you you could ask them.

http://www.fedauto.co.uk/

Do though post back when you have found the valve that you are working on.

I could see nothing in my drawings that lifted the parking pawl.

malcolm

 

[fly_ac]

From what you have just posted I dont think you will have any more problems like this one.Sometimes the main selector valve in the valve body does stick. But on one transmission it may happen once in the whole life of that transmission. so dont worry too much.

I have noticed that the bush on top of the gearbox, on the selector in badly worn, could that play a roll in this selector problem. I have already ordered replacement parts and were just curious.

 

[fly_ac]

Its not funny taking this down without a real sure answer to your problem,and it is not easy to find someone that has this knowledge.

the link now is for some indepéndent auto box repaires,I feel sure that if there is one near you you could ask them.

http://www.fedauto.co.uk/

Do though post back when you have found the valve that you are working on.

I could see nothing in my drawings that lifted the parking pawl.

malcolm

I'll see if I can take a pucture tomorrow and post it here. Thanks for all the feedback.

 

[eric242340]

I have noticed that the bush on top of the gearbox, on the selector in badly worn, could that play a roll in this selector problem. I have already ordered replacement parts and were just curious.

It definately could have an effect on the selector lever, however the selector plunger on the valve body is very rarely affected by this. A simple case of too much free play. Change the plastic bushes on the selector linkeage (there are two) this will help prevent a re-occurrence.

 

[fly_ac]

All's well that goes well.

It definately could have an effect on the selector lever, however the selector plunger on the valve body is very rarely affected by this. A simple case of too much free play. Change the plastic bushes on the selector linkeage (there are two) this will help prevent a re-occurrence.

I hace replaced the bushes, because it affected the neutral switch as well.
Everything seem to be OK now, gear selection is smooth and the car still goes like a dream.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[eric242340]

I hace replaced the bushes, because it affected the neutral switch as well.
Everything seem to be OK now, gear selection is smooth and the car still goes like a dream.

Thanks for the advice.

Nice to see you got a result. In future try taking pictures and posting them, it makes a world of difference and cuts a long story short. Regards Eric.

 

[fly_ac]

Trouble free

Nice to see you got a result. In future try taking pictures and posting them, it makes a world of difference and cuts a long story short. Regards Eric.

I'll keep that in mind, the pictures.

I have to say for a vehicle that have 582641 km's on the clock (trouble free up to now) she still drives like a dream. The engine, gearbox (i'm the only one ) and diff has never been opened or worked on, apart from servicing.
I sevice this vehicle every 7500km's (oil, filters,plugs) and the major service's I send her to the agents. I think I just overlooked the bushes on the gear link, so the fault were on my side , or I can blame the agents.

Thanks
Anton

 

[eric242340]

I'll keep that in mind, the pictures.

I have to say for a vehicle that have 582641 km's on the clock (trouble free up to now) she still drives like a dream. The engine, gearbox (i'm the only one ) and diff has never been opened or worked on, apart from servicing.
I sevice this vehicle every 7500km's (oil, filters,plugs) and the major service's I send her to the agents. I think I just overlooked the bushes on the gear link, so the fault were on my side , or I can blame the agents.

Thanks
Anton

The agents should have known better. Once you shift gear with these bushes worn ( or in some cases, none existant), you would hear an audible click. This is an obvious bush sound and means gears cannot be selected properly. So give youself top marks and shoot the agents lol:grin: