no wonder the NHS is in dire straights

[Frontstep]

You can bring up the same criticisms for many private sector companies.
I have personally watched valuable goods and materials being scrapped most people could relate similar stories.
The NHS is just an easier target as you can find out its problems.
By all means strip out these and other examples of waste but the size of the organisation will always bring big numbers and headlines.
Hand on heart, how many of us don't waste money ?

Those who think they don't are usually wrong or don't innovate.

 

[davemercedes]

There isn't a crisis in any normal definition of the word there are difficulties, there always is.
Most public sector workers can make a case for extra pay but they know their gold plated pension takes some beating.
Many private sector workers look with envy at their pay and conditions.
The truth of the matter is many workers are on a low income with costs rising, its a perfect storm of a banking crisis debts (not their fault) globalisation (not their fault) unfettered immigration (not their fault) mechanisation again (not their fault) brexit remoaners gloom etc.

You can blame May if it makes you feel better but she is simply the one who has "taken the monkey"

The blame goes back squarely to the Bankers gambling debts and politicians of all colours playing at theoretical liberalism with others lives.

The banks did indeed cause the financial problems. The problems were so huge that correction clearly required governmental action.
But in doing so they have inflicted pure hardship on many - none of whom made any contribution to the problem and particularly our most vital public servants.

The crises* (yes, plural) in the NHS are solidly denied by those in power (i.e.: the public sector workers who took an 11 percent pay rise before imposing 1 percent on those they love to describe as "ordinary, hard working people" and lately the "JAMs" (although lots of people patently are not managing are they?).

(Crises* plural) See:
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ing-uk-profession-than-joining-figures-reveal
...AND
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...lications-slump-after-nhs-bursaries-abolished

These are just one of many such web reports which show:

• More midwives and nurses are leaving the profession in the UK than joining for the first time on record
• The number departing has risen by 51% in just four years.
• 20% more left the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) register than joined it in 2016/17.
• The overall number of leavers was 34,941, compared with 23,087 in 2012/13.

• 2016/17: 29,434 UK nurses and midwives left the register, up from 19,818 in 2012/13,
• 45% more UK registrants left than joined last year.
• We have a shortage of 40,000 nurses and 3,500 midwives in England alone
• I wonder how many people are aware that student nurses have to pay to get their qualifications?
• The average nurse is £3000 worse off since the cap was introduced
• When asked why nurses had to go to food banks, Mrs Mayhem stammered "for complex reasons".
• The final kick in the teeth for these professionals came when the Tories in parliament wildly cheered the winning vote to prevent the 1 percent pay being dropped. There were no winners of course.

Mrs Mayhem proclaimed her absolute duty was to serve the will of the people... but in the general election it was plainly obvious that an enormous percent of the electorate do not approve of the way she has been running (?) the government. So it was that on Sunday her chancellor told Andrew Marr and therefore the public that the government had got message and to quote him "We're not deaf". Given the circumstances of following the will of the people and the utter "money tree" hypocrisy (for the DUP at any rate), I would have expected them to be rapidly looking at the whole area of austerity and at the very least fulfilling their duty to take care of the people on whom they inflicted such suffering. According to figures quoted, the average NHS nurse is effectively £3000 worse off since the government imposed the 1 percent cap. It's a great shame they couldn't impose a 1 percent cap on everything we buy (even before the ongoing currency write down - err, that's the value that goes up and down all the time - remember?). It is time to look seriously at the way the government is apply the correction and find alternatives - that don't just transfer the pain on to other sectors of the public.

Frankly, to quote the PM: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !

 

[Alfie]

Mrs Mayhem proclaimed her absolute duty was to serve the will of the people... but in the general election it was plainly obvious that an enormous percent of the electorate do not approve of the way she has been running (?) the government.

Yet she still beat Corbyn despite handing it to him on a plate. The electorate still preferred her!

Im no fan or Mrs May at all but given her parlous performance in the campaign she still beat Corbyn, that speaks volumes about his performance. Although he performed better than expected he still managed a loss akin to that of Kinnock, Brown and Milliband. Yet they all did the right thing and resigned.

PS. Quoting articles in the guardian is as valid as quoting articles from the Daily Mail. ie - not authorative.

 

[davemercedes]

Yet she still beat Corbyn despite handing it to him on a plate. The electorate still preferred her!

Im no fan or Mrs May at all but given her parlous performance in the campaign she still beat Corbyn, that speaks volumes about his performance. Although he performed better than expected he still managed a loss akin to that of Kinnock, Brown and Milliband. Yet they all did the right thing and resigned.

PS. Quoting articles in the guardian is as valid as quoting articles from the Daily Mail. ie - not authorative.

I wasn't talking about winning or losing the election (in fact I think there were only losers - US!

There are a lot of people who say Mrs Mayhem should have done the right thing and resigned when she lost the majority she had in order to get an unnecessary bigger one.

I pointed out that a high percentage of the electorate think she is NOT doing a good job and she should fix the "injustices" that she proclaimed was her target in life - after all her party inflicted the cap on the NHS and other front line services which is causing everyone too much pain.

You are either being incredibly obtuse or stupid. Just because these posts came from the Guardian you say "they are not authorative" - READ WHAT I SAID: <<<These are just one of many such web reports which show:>>>.
- If you want to argue, with different FACTS look on the web - what I have just posted is all a matter of public record...
- But I don't suppose you'll bother to look.

I suppose it's not authoritative that the BBC along with other broadcasters showed the Tory MPs cheering when they defeated the amendment to stop the 1 percent cap! Imagine how any medical staff member felt with that - really valued just like Mayhem is always saying in between solving injustices (except for one, the limitation of 1 percent for seven years)!

Perhaps this one below (Nursing Times) is authoritative enough for you?

Poor working conditions drives huge increase in number of nurses leaving NMC register
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/w...f-nurses-leaving-nmc-register/7019251.article

I voted Tory "forever" but the treatment of the public and May's lying and arrogance have turned me off completely - they won't get vote again. I'm no fan of Corbyn and did not vote for him either but the opposition labour party were absolutely right to try to get something done for such people - or perhaps you think that the facts about the young copper who took on the three terrorists with knives, armed only with his baton only got 1 percent isn't authoritative either?

Here's a page from The Telegraph - Feb 2017 (is this one authorative enough for you?)
They point out that MPs are getting £1K in April while the public sector stays capped... and today Hammond told them "Keep your nerve...": -

MPs enjoy £1,000 pay-rise while public sector workers face cap
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...pay-risewhile-public-sector-workers-face-cap/

 

[drmw]

Once again, this thread is meant to be about the NHS - highjacking for endless outpourings of bile is irrelevant. Keep on subject.

 

[davemercedes]

Once again, this thread is meant to be about the NHS - highjacking for endless outpourings of bile is irrelevant. Keep on subject.

Sorry David, you're right - I should not have reacted to the comment.

 

[LostKiwi]

There was a discussion on ITV this morning. The problem they have with the cap is that if Brexit impacts the economy (and the expectation is it will) then public spending needs to be controlled and that means the cap must stay. This raised the question of the famous £350m which the conservative minister present stated on TV was a bare faced lie and and said as much at the time (she was as it happens a leave supporter).
The irony of all this is that Brexit is (according to Chuka Umunna and the tory MP on the programme whose name escapes me) is responsible for the NHS issues when if the campaign was to be believed the NHS would benefit by 350m a week!

 

[JBell]

The irony of all this is that Brexit is (according to Chuka Umunna and the tory MP on the programme whose name escapes me) is responsible for the NHS issues when if the campaign was to be believed the NHS would benefit by 350m a week!

Her name is Dr Sarah Wollaston, she is the MP for Totnes

 

[davemercedes]

Unfortunately, you're right Alistair and the real indications over the last couple of weeks) are that the "divorce" will be very expensive and quite damaging in the short and medium terms (whatever they are).

But it's grossly unfair to treat NHS and other front line service people so badly. They should find a way.

 

[LostKiwi]

Her name is Dr Sarah Wollaston, she is the MP for Totnes

That was her! Cheers

 

[Frontstep]

Time for another picture of the bus and its often misquoted message;

 

[JBell]

That was her! Cheers

She is the MP where my office is, very well respected

 

[Big Cheese]

The foreign aid budget should be slashed & the money used to bolster NHS,Fire & Police pay.
It is a disgrace our tax is wasted in such a way.
How many pointless Billions have been wasted abroad while the country is tightening its belts.
Yes there are some deserving cases that need helping but do we really need to be giving millions to the Ethiopian Spice Girls to name but one?

 

[Frontstep]

Then there's the money we sent to the EU which we could have spent on the NHS the graph shows both the gross and net contributions after all those subsidies for good and bad reasons,

 

[helpmeimsinkijg]

I don't often post, my sister is in Hospital, she is 64yrs old has lung failure, 1% of her lungs & is under 6 stone & cannot have a transplant, if the machins stops so does she or if she has another lung failure as she did on Saturday thats the end of her life. 4 days ago we were told she would not last 4 days, they stopped feeding her as her throat is inflamed & the feeding tube is to severe, she cannot have a stomach plug as she cannot take the operation.
Yesterday she ate some food & icecream, today she has just eaten 1 weetabix..I am convinced this is solely down to the dedication of the staff ,90% are immigrants & are fantastic. I would & will gladly pay extra tax for these people & the NHS in general. If she dies tomorrow (god forbid, I can say she has had the very best of care & consideration from these wonderful people.

 

[davemercedes]

I don't often post, my sister is in Hospital, she is 64yrs old has lung failure, 1% of her lungs & is under 6 stone & cannot have a transplant, if the machins stops so does she or if she has another lung failure as she did on Saturday thats the end of her life. 4 days ago we were told she would not last 4 days, they stopped feeding her as her throat is inflamed & the feeding tube is to severe, she cannot have a stomach plug as she cannot take the operation.
Yesterday she ate some food & icecream, today she has just eaten 1 weetabix..I am convinced this is solely down to the dedication of the staff ,90% are immigrants & are fantastic. I would & will gladly pay extra tax for these people & the NHS in general. If she dies tomorrow (god forbid, I can say she has had the very best of care & consideration from these wonderful people.

Deepest sympathy and best wishes for your sister.

 

[helpmeimsinkijg]

Deepest sympathy and best wishes for your sister.

Thank you very Dave.

 

[Frontstep]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rn-countries-with-us-coming-last-9542833.html


NHS means British healthcare rated top out of 11 western countries, with US coming last.

 

[davemercedes]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rn-countries-with-us-coming-last-9542833.html


NHS means British healthcare rated top out of 11 western countries, with US coming last.

- So just think how good it would be if it hadn't been allowed to get into such a shambles.
- And maybe they didn't consider things like the shortage of 40,000 nurses etc

 

[Frosty149]

I don't often post, my sister is in Hospital, she is 64yrs old has lung failure, 1% of her lungs & is under 6 stone & cannot have a transplant, if the machins stops so does she or if she has another lung failure as she did on Saturday thats the end of her life. 4 days ago we were told she would not last 4 days, they stopped feeding her as her throat is inflamed & the feeding tube is to severe, she cannot have a stomach plug as she cannot take the operation.
Yesterday she ate some food & icecream, today she has just eaten 1 weetabix..I am convinced this is solely down to the dedication of the staff ,90% are immigrants & are fantastic. I would & will gladly pay extra tax for these people & the NHS in general. If she dies tomorrow (god forbid, I can say she has had the very best of care & consideration from these wonderful people.

It's good to know that you are positive and encouraged by the support your sister is receiving and I'm sure we all want nothing but the best outcome.
Despite all the negatives reported by the press, of all our emergency services, I for one am grateful and reassured by such complimentary comment.
Wishing you and your sister well.