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My views were formed while picking the fingers of a mate's right hand out of the side netting on a Saxon, thanks to a blast bomb laid by the late Mr. McGuinness' Active Service Unit.

How were yours formed?

Mine were formed from looking at the total picture. Martin mcGuinness's views were formed by events that happened close to him. Things like the RUC (local Police force) invading Sammy Devennys home in 1969 and beating the occupants and Sammy in particular to pulp, because a group of kids who were throwing stones happened to run in thru an open door into the Devenny household.
Sammy died a few months later from his injuries.
Then again in 1972 British Paratroops shooting dead 13 innocent civilians who were on a civil rights march.
Things like that brought a lot of young people into the arms of the IRA.
It was always said that the Brits were the best recruiting agent for the Provos.
What would any of you have done had Irish, American, or even German troops shot dead 13 of your civilians in a peaceful street march.
You guys were told how it happened from a British point of view.
That there were soldiers who were shot at first, pity that has never been established as being true or even happened. But it was put out there to justify the shooting of innocent people.
Personally I've never had time for armed struggle, I do not see how anyone losing their life for piece of land can be justified.
But I also cannot see why supposedly intelligent people will not research these things, try and find out the truth, then make informed judgement.
You know the old saying Walk a mile in another guys shoes, then form your opinions based on his observations.
 
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I see no libel. only fact.
I swear you start these threads for confrontation, like a typical troll.
Stand by for another closed thread, courtesy of PRW.

he is suggesting I revel in killing English people that is a lie he has no basis for making such an outrageous statement = libellous
 

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he is suggesting I revel in killing English people that is a lie he has no basis for making such an outrageous statement = libellous

No he isn't. He stated a fact, the only opinion in it was that you support/ supported McGuiness.

You're being libellous for stating that he suggested that you revel in killing English people. You just invented that. That's not contained in Yug's post at all.

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Not surprising you'd support him. After all he did kill a lot of English.

We'll just gloss over the hundreds of the Disappeared shall we?
this is a libelous statement , remove it or apologise

You have previously stated that you wish to see the "English state" diminished. It is reasonable to take Yug's post above in line with your very many other comments in this line.
 
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Mine were formed from looking at the total picture. Martin mcGuinness's views were formed by events that happened close to him. Things like the RUC (local Police force) invading Sammy Devennys home in 1969 and beating the occupants and Sammy in particular to pulp, because a group of kids who were throwing stones happened to run in thru an open door into the Devenny household.
Sammy died a few months later from his injuries.
Then again in 1972 British Paratroops shooting dead 13 innocent civilians who were on a civil rights march.
Things like that brought a lot of young people into the arms of the IRA.
It was always said that the Brits were the best recruiting agent for the Provos.
What would any of you have done had Irish, American, or even German troops shot dead 13 of your civilians in a peaceful street march.
You guys were told how it happened from a British point of view.
That there were soldiers who were shot at first, pity that has never been established as being true or even happened. But it was put out there to justify the shooting of innocent people.
Personally I've never had time for armed struggle, I do not see how anyone losing their life for piece of land can be justified.
But I also cannot see why supposedly intelligent people will not research these things, try and find out the truth, then make informed judgement.
You know the old saying Walk a mile in another guys shoes, then form your opinions based on his observations.

Response to this in more detail later. Short on time.
 

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this is a libelous statement , remove it or apologise

Haha.

Many of your posts are provocative and seem to be put there to wind people up, and you come across as someone who wishes the English would fall off the planet, so I thought the same Yugguy when I saw you defending McGuiness.

The problem was not your singular comment in this thread, but your constant wind ups carry across from all threads, we all build up a picture of you, so you can't blame people for thinking what they think about you.

I'm sure many think I'm just as big a twat. Take it on the chin.
 
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Haha.

Many of your posts are provocative and seem to be put there to wind people up, and you come across as someone who wishes the English would fall off the planet, so I thought the same Yugguy when I saw you defending McGuiness.

The problem was not your singular comment in this thread, but your constant wind ups carry across from all threads, we all build up a picture of you, so you can't blame people for thinking what they think about you.

I'm sure many think I'm just as big a twat. Take it on the chin.

That's pathetic, because I mock the English Rugby team you think you can extrapolate from that ... love your sense of fair play and your brain power. My contempt for English Rugby has a class basis; I have contempt for the English ruling class not the English working class not the middle classes either, just the public school boys:rolleyes:
 
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No he isn't. He stated a fact, the only opinion in it was that you support/ supported McGuiness.

You're being libellous for stating that he suggested that you revel in killing English people. You just invented that. That's not contained in Yug's post at all.



You have previously stated that you wish to see the "English state" diminished. It is reasonable to take Yug's post above in line with your very many other comments in this line.

I have never supported the IRA but I do understand why they arose, that is not support; its education/learning, wisdom if you like
 

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One aspwct of libel as I understand it is damage to someone's good reputation. I don't think you have one on here to damage.
 

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No libel just opinion.

Still back on topic of day, McGuiness perhaps in a sense of atonement might have left a statement or even his will may reveal a few things.
He knew he was on his way out and you never know might have left something.

His silence (so far) over the victims, so many completely innocent, of the IRA campaigns did him no favours.

If he harboured genuine grievances for the security services why target the innocent that's not the war he talked of that was simply murder.

Very hard to respect a man who targeted non combatants.
 

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Absolutely no respect for him whatsoever. Good riddance.

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That's pathetic, because I mock the English Rugby team you think you can extrapolate from that ... love your sense of fair play and your brain power. My contempt for English Rugby has a class basis; I have contempt for the English ruling class not the English working class not the middle classes either, just the public school boys:rolleyes:

Rugby? Never seen you mention the rugby.

I must have you all wrong then, you seem like a troll with a big chip on your shoulder with regards to the English to me, but I stand corrected.
 

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That's pathetic, because I mock the English Rugby team you think you can extrapolate from that ... love your sense of fair play and your brain power. My contempt for English Rugby has a class basis; I have contempt for the English ruling class not the English working class not the middle classes either, just the public school boys:rolleyes:

I think it's more because you've frequently stated that you wish to see the English state harmed, weakened, diminished. You've stated that directly on multiple occasions so it's neither extrapolating or pathetic.
 

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Rugby? Never seen you mention the rugby.

I must have you all wrong then, you seem like a troll with a big chip on your shoulder with regards to the English to me, but I stand corrected.

You don't need correcting Gizze .You are correct in your assumption.
 

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Rugby? Never seen you mention the rugby.

I must have you all wrong then, you seem like a troll with a big chip on your shoulder with regards to the English to me, but I stand corrected.

No need to be corrected when you're entirely correct, chap.
 
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I think it's more because you've frequently stated that you wish to see the English state harmed, weakened, diminished. You've stated that directly on multiple occasions so it's neither extrapolating or pathetic.

One of your boyfriends suggested that I condoned killing English people; untrue, yes I think the English state is oppressive and I'd like to see a federal republic.
I know that you guys have no argument when you attack me personally.
 

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One of your boyfriends suggested that I condoned killing English people; untrue, yes I think the English state is oppressive and I'd like to see a federal republic.
I know that you guys have no argument when you attack me personally.

But you're not at all provocative, eh?

There was no argument against you personally. Paranoid as well now?
 

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I think it might be time to close the thread.
 
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