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Seems to stick in gear and won't change..??

Discussion in 'Engine, Drivetrain, Fuel and Exhaust' started by Jamboo, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Hi All
    Another query for the experts to point me in the right direction please...

    Driving along quite happily and then the car [E220 Cdi - Automatic] seems to have high revs and does not want to change gear.....at this point it also will not change gear by me knocking the gear shift to the side to try and put it in an actual gear rather than automatic......??

    I had to pull over and stop the car, take the key out and start the car again.....once I done this all seemed to be OK....it changes gears as it should in automatic and I could also knock the gear stick to choose an actual gear..

    This has happened twice now in 2 weeks.

    Anyone any ideas what it could be and how much it will be for my indie to fix...?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. whitenemesis

    whitenemesis Senior Member

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    Electro-plate in the autobox playing up. Implausible speed sensor value in my case. Luckily only happened the once (so far!). Did your EML come on as well?

    Mobilo tech reckoned approx £1k for MB to fix. Indie possibly just £300 IIRC the part is only £150 .. (MB only replace the complete assembly!)
     
  3. OP
    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Cheers fella......no light came on either time it has happened...



    I cant get it to my indie for a few eeks as I have just had a knee op.....I will get it down there end of January and see what he finds.

    Looking like a few hundred £££s then....:(
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Popped in to se my Indie today as I am back driving now...he done a quick diagnostic test and a few errors appeared.

    First of all he wants to change the battery as a lot of undervoltage errors came up [battery is origianl and car is an 55 plate], and also do a gear box fluid change and filter change.....see if that makes any difference and if not then take the gear box etc out and have a good look.

    Will update when more news incase anyone is interested....

    Cheers
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Right...

    New battery installed.

    Gearbox service carried out with...
    New Gearbox Filter
    New Gearbox Plug
    New Gearbox Seal
    Gearbox Oil

    Total of £407 and issue still exists...!!!

    Going to have to take it back in now....what else now..?....Gearbox coming out...??:(
     
  6. whitenemesis

    whitenemesis Senior Member

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    Electro-plate? No need to remove the box, yet!
     
  7. Alex Crow

    Alex Crow Senior Member Authorised Forum Supporter

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    I would love to help, but we need a list of those fault codes!

    If you want a guess, I will say the electroplate, as has been guessed at before.

    The low voltage fault codes are only relevent if stored in the gearbox ECU in relation to valve body voltage supply, if they were stored in other modules this is not relevent. It would be very unusual for a 2005 W211 to need a new battery anyway. And if it were the battery, it would occur from the first start of the day, typically.
    I have not known these problems be cured by a fluid change either, unless the fluid were exceptionally degraded, which could be checked by a visual examination via the dipstick.

    And now they want to take the 'box out to have a look? On the basis of which fault codes?
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Thanks guys
    Will return it again and see what they say....will mention the Electro plate to them..
    I could ask for the list of codes if it helps..?..he did show me the sheets but that's like giving a cow a banjo i'm afraid...:roll:

    Will update when been back in....cheers
     
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  9. television

    television Senior Member

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    The speed plate is the first thing that should have been done in my view
     
  10. teesir

    teesir New Registration

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    Any update on this as my W211 E280 does a similar thing. It is OK on a journey up to 2 hours in length but when I extend to 3 hours the gearbox refuses to change gear. If I then stop and take the key out of the ignition and restart all goes back to normal. It has been like this for 2 years now and is quite predictable. The oil has been changed by MB but that is all I have tried.
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Had the car back in yesterday to have the Electro plate changed.
    Also had a B service at the same time.

    also, need some gearbox oil, air filter and elec. plug

    It does seem a bit smoother in the gear changes but I suppose I won't know until I have driven it for a week or so as the fault was intermittent.....will update either way later in the week.

    Total bill for above..??.....£845.........:(
     
  12. mej

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    Don't know mileage, but when I bought mine at auction with 100k plus I expected to have to replace the box (Valeo coolant/box oil mixing issue) and I wasn't dissappointed. I put it off for nearly a year as it was surviveable, but did it eventually when I was happy the car was a keeper. The guys who changed the box were Lowes of Barnsley - good job, no probs 35k later - and they said that the modern boxes, esp those which suffered the sealed for life lie, were only fit for 100k, and in their opinion MB were happy that you would have to replace with new at that point. Bit dissappointing when I have MBs of an older generation with 150+, 228+ and 248+ k miles on, all on original boxes. Progress eh?????????
    In view of your expenditure so far you will soon be better going for a swap (just under 2k for me in Dec 2009). May be worth you giving them a call. No connection by the way.
     
  13. television

    television Senior Member

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    That should have been a £325 or there about

    Who did the job
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    It was my usual Indie near Edinburgh....bill was as follows...

    Labour
    Diagnostic - replace electro plate. Elec. plug and Gearbox oil...£174
    Carryout B service...........................................................£256.50
    Replace air filter..............................................................£5.22

    Parts
    Air filter.................................£17.80
    Gearbox oil [2 litres]................ £21.60
    Elec plug................................£20.80
    Electric plate [Kit]....................£208.80

    Add this up plus VAT............£845.66



    Seem excessive..??....hope it cures the issue
    May look at trading it in now anyway
     
  15. toby1

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    Seems pretty fair to me once itemised
     
  16. busters the boy!

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    Why did it need gearbox oil again? Did they have to drain it out to fix it?

    Do you know how much they charge per hour for labour and what is a good hourly rate to pay?

    Genuine questions - I usually just use a local garage but am thinking about taking my new (old) purchase to an indie for a service and inspection.
     
  17. television

    television Senior Member

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    I would keep the car after this

    I make the total £485 for the gearbox job including VAT it was an hours job to do that so £385 would have been nearer the mark for doing the job
     
  18. Alex Crow

    Alex Crow Senior Member Authorised Forum Supporter

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    Note that Euro Car Parts can now supply genuine electroplates, of the latest version, at a good discount from MB prices.
     
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    television Senior Member

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    I will try and get it to sink in Alex :(:(
     
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    Jamboo

    Jamboo Senior Member

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    Yeah, needed 2 Ltrs as some dripped away when the works were done...

    I have tried attaching the invoice, hopefully worked..!!
    Does it seem about right..?
     

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