The Tax System

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There is a load of "stuff" being spouted by all the parties in this election run up about Tax and how they will change it to make life "fairer" for all, I read this and thought it was a good representation of how the current system works:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the... bill for all ten comes to £100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7..
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that's what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected.

They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?

How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.

He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got £10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.

The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Written by
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.
 

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Cheap for South Ken. I'd have thought! ;)

And that neatly illustrates how little some of the politicos actually understand of how the country generates its money. Scary isn't it?
 

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All very well but tax and social security are necessary evils for living in a civilized society. Look at all the countries without such things and the crime rates and general societies are terrible. Besides I know many successful people who work many more hours than I do (and are paid a lot more) and for most of them it's not only just the money that motivates them. Afterall how much is enough.

I was paying high rate tax in UK from when I was 21 to 26 and it never really bothered me as I still seemed to have plenty to live on afterwards and made plenty of savings and I could only have got the job due to the free and great education I got and the NHS my parents used and have never been victim of a serious crime largely because those with no jobs get benefits.

I don't really understand tax exiles - and having worked a little in Switzerland and seen Andorra first hand these are not generally nice places to live as the people all seem to know the price of everything and the value of nothing. The whole point of money is it buys you freedom - and allows you to live where you want even if the tax rate is higher
 

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Surely that's the point of the pub analogy though. The seventh through tenth men were happy to continue paying for their drinks (and thus the drinks of the first siz) as long as the cost of those drinks, and potential reductions in their bill over time, were attractive to them.

That is, the ones contributing most to the drinks bill should be encouraged to stay (and by implication, more should be encouraged to come).
 

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Is it a problem with the politicos or is it a problem with those benefiting from the system?
 

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Is it a problem with the politicos or is it a problem with those benefiting from the system?

Or both together? Do the politicians value the votes of those benefitting from the system more than their potential contributions?
 

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Or both together? Do the politicians value the votes of those benefitting from the system more than their potential contributions?
Or do those who benefit from the system just not see what benefit they get?
 

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Why should we have a system that gifts the workshy there income?
Theres plenty of them out there abusing the system.
 


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