Tories and policy!

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I had hoped for better when Theresa May became Prime Minister but the last couple of gaffs on policy have left me wondering who on earth is advising May and her cohorts and whether any of them have any common sense

First came the attempt to change the level of NIC for the self employed which resulted in an embarrassing about face which Hammond had to claim responsibility for rightly or wrongly. This change was not mentioned in the 2015 manifesto and had not been debated in Parliament

Now we have the care fiasco of the Tory election manifesto, who on earth advising May thought they could unilaterally sweep aside the cross party agreed results of the Chilnot report with an ill advised inheritance grab policy let alone the resulting local government borrowing to make the idea viable

With so little skill in diplomacy and common sense on display I'm now wondering how much damage the same people can do to our Brexit negotiations

Hope things improve but not optimistic at the moment
 
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It really is a vote for who you think is the least worst. Again.
 

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Or, don't vote for May but rather against Corbyn.

Where does the least bad option lie?
 

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Its the "none of the above" moment again.

If you want more of the same its May.

If you want to "Remain" its Farron.

If you want a more caring sharing (in theory) Government its Corbyn

Other than that its a vote for principle rather than power.

I and I suspect many others will grit my teeth close my eyes and vote,
if only because so many have tried so hard to give me the opportunity.
 

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What I want is a government that will act solely in this country's long term best interests, including but not limited to security and increased mid/ long term prosperity. If that means investment in people and industry then so be it. I want my kids to grow up in an opportunity- rich, safe, happy place.

Right now there's only one party that has put my wants, or something like them at the top of their manifesto. Are they perfect? Not by a long chalk. Does any other party even come close to reality? Not by a long chalk.
 

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What I want is a government that will act solely in this country's long term best interests, including but not limited to security and increased mid/ long term prosperity. If that means investment in people and industry then so be it. I want my kids to grow up in an opportunity- rich, safe, happy place.

Right now there's only one party that has put my wants, or something like them at the top of their manifesto. Are they perfect? Not by a long chalk. Does any other party even come close to reality? Not by a long chalk.


Another one for the Lib Dems then ?
 

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You know, my opinion of Corbyn has been that he has condemned the Labour Party to ten years in the political wilderness.

But having seen May stuttering and stammering when interviewed yesterday, my feelings were confirmed that she is not for me.

Strangely, I've seen Corbyn talking in "election mode" a couple of times over the last week and I've been surprised how he can actually talk with passion. So just as I thought that despite every pointer saying "no" I thought that maybe Trump would win in USA, I'm now beginning to wonder if the seemingly impossible might happen and Mrs Maybe might lose out due to one u-turn too many. And then I wonder, given his socialist status would Corbyn get on with the EU people and actually handle Brexit negotiations successfully? I suppose it's all too far fetched really...
 

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I have just posted on another thread but I'm not worried that TM is not great in front of the cameras but more concerned with her intentions and the way she carries them out.

I'm no faithful Tory voter by the way.

Tony Blair was great in front of the cameras.....


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I have just posted on another thread but I'm not worried that TM is not great in front of the cameras but more concerned with her intentions and the way she carries them out.

I'm no faithful Tory voter by the way.

Tony Blair was great in front of the cameras.....


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But do you think she will get the right deal for UK?
 

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But do you think she will get the right deal for UK?

Who knows Dave, but I think she will genuinely try and it's in her interest to do so.

Now if it was the LibDems doing the deal they definitely would not try, as for Corbin who knows what his true stance is


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You know, my opinion of Corbyn has been that he has condemned the Labour Party to ten years in the political wilderness.

But having seen May stuttering and stammering when interviewed yesterday, my feelings were confirmed that she is not for me.

Strangely, I've seen Corbyn talking in "election mode" a couple of times over the last week and I've been surprised how he can actually talk with passion. So just as I thought that despite every pointer saying "no" I thought that maybe Trump would win in USA, I'm now beginning to wonder if the seemingly impossible might happen and Mrs Maybe might lose out due to one u-turn too many. And then I wonder, given his socialist status would Corbyn get on with the EU people and actually handle Brexit negotiations successfully? I suppose it's all too far fetched really...

To be fair to Corbyn he was elected by the Labour party twice and they agreed with his views so lets not blame him alone.
 

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Who knows Dave, but I think she will genuinely try and it's in her interest to do so.

Now if it was the LibDems doing the deal they definitely would not try, as for Corbin who knows what his true stance is


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Spot on who else could you put your money on ?


May is no where near perfect but between the two Corbyn is a distant second.

May has it appears grasped the concept of a democracy, the Dums are ignoring it as well as the SNP, both took part in a referendum and want to ignore the outcome.

Corbyn stance is here although you might not guess it.


Corbyn has been anti-EU for ever,

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes
 
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It's interesting how short people's memories are. When the Tories were elected in 2010 and after the famous Labour treasury note 'sorry there is no money left' we all expected cuts to services over the next parliamentary term but none came other than a cap on council rates.

Wind forward to today and the cuts are starting to bite because as we all know we are living beyond our means and the Labour hue and cry is now based on cutbacks and how they are affecting services. If Labour managed to win the election we would see the Blair/Brown spending fiasco all over again in an over zealous attempt at money redistribution and so history would repeat itself.

Not a mention of this on the May/Corbyn debate last night perhaps it never happened and reality doesn't buy votes
 

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Reality NEVER DID buy votes.

"Lying like a bulletin" and all...
 

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And the Tories have had years to sort out and punish the irresponsible/dishonest bankers who caused the need for austerity cuts but who's paying for it?

Clue/Quote: "We're all in this together" !
 

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Will be voting for May, but the house will be sold and consecutive world cruises booked until funds drop to required level to avoid 'dementia' tax.

As a pensioner, I worked hard and saved hard whilst others '****ed it up the wall'......................now it's my turn to '**** it up the wall'!

 

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Will be voting for May, but the house will be sold and consecutive world cruises booked until funds drop to required level to avoid 'dementia' tax.

As a pensioner, I worked hard and saved hard whilst others '****ed it up the wall'......................now it's my turn to '**** it up the wall'!
Everybody (on here) told me to stop moaning about having my heat allowance nicked and now dementia tax. Stand by for messages reminding you of your duty!

...You might see us on the same cruises!
 
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The only way to be fair and equitable with care funding for an aged society is to make taxation more visible and accountable. My view is that some form of taxation in the form of say a holiday tax (or perhaps 'vacation' would be more PC) would catch all socio-economic groups, 5-10% should do it
 

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For me, it's all about the society I want to live in,
Do I want it to be fair to all?
Do I want care for the vulnerable?
Do I want a well funded NHS?
Do I want well funded education, for all, not just for the grammar schools (and how many grammar schools are being built in deprived areas?)

Should corporations be allowed to make it increasingly hard for workers to have any protection from greedy bosses?

Should zero percent contracts be allowed?

Is subsidised food and ALCOHOL for MPs more important than school dinners for children?

MPs second homes, expenses, the amount of time they work on their constituents matters..... (Yes you can be an MP and the editor of a newspaper...what conflict could there possibly be?)

Should you have to sell your home to pay for care, when it was bought with money you earned (and paid tax on, and NI contributions) - purely because you are old, vulnerable and maybe not in a position to fight your corner at that time?

I used to vote Tory, but more and more they show that they don't actually care about the majority of the country, they care about making the rich, richer. (And they usually get nice board positions etc)

Does Branson want Corbyn .....whilst Virgin are busy taking over lots of NHS contracts?
Do the Barclay brothers want non-Dom tax loopholes plugged?
Does Murdoch want monopolies looked into whilst he buys sky?
Does Starbucks or Google want tax looked at whilst they don't pay any?

We still subsidise the railways whilst the "operators" take the profits.....think on that.

We bailed out the banks, whilst bankers get massive bonuses.

A while back I too wasn't too impressed by Corbyn, but let's face it all the media is run by billionaires who along with all the other billionaires are terrified that the gravy train may have the brakes applied if Labour get in, so he has been soundly vilified in the press and on TV.
"He talked to the IRA!!" - they don't say it was part of the peace process in '95.
"He supports Hamas" - he actually said he was against violence on both sides (and let's face it, lasting peace only comes -in the end- via negotiations.)

I've actually spent some time looking at what he actually says, and it makes sense. He may not be the best at 'soundbites' but he appears to be a rare thing - principled and honest.
 

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