C220cdi om651 has me baffled

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Hopefully somebody may be able to help me here as i have a Mercedes c220cdi 2012 that i have just rebuilt the engine due to bottom end failure. The car had been sat for 18months and so i expected a few issues with sensors etc... but im at a loss with this now. When i rebuilt the engine, it had the crank reground, oversize shells, new piston rings, bores deglazed, head gasket etc.... it was a complete teardown.

The car starts first turn of the key, however has a running fault that i cannot get to the bottom of. Cylinder 3 will not run. Compression is good across all 4 cylinders but im continuously getting p0269 fault code. All injectors have been coded in but cannot perform the zero configuration due to this error. The car shakes badly as it is only running on 3 cylinders. I have checked continuity on the wiring from the injector back to pins 1/73 on the ecu and they are fine. I have performed a leak off test on the injectors and they are all fine. No matter what i do i cannot get it to fire on cylinder 3. If i move an injector from cylinder 2 to 3 or vice versa it doesnt make any difference. I have rebuilt loads of engines and never had issues like this before. This is the first mercedes i have rebuilt though. Im convinced its an injector but normally if you interchange between cylinders the fault follows the problem injector but not in this case. Its as though the ecu is shutting down the injector right from the start.

But wait theres more.......

I purchased a 2011 c200 cdi om651 3 weeks ago which had been diagnosed as a blown engine. It was £1400 with 105k so i thought i would take a chance. I put a battery on it and it fired up, sounded dredful and then died. I can understand the garage saying the engine had blown as it had the worst deisel knock ive ever heard. Long story short, turns out as it had only done 5k each year for the last 4 years the dpf was blocked solid, the injector tips had balooned and was dumping diesel like mad into the chamber. So i cleaned the dpf (which is easy on these, why cant all dpfs split like these) replaced the injectors with a 2nd hand set, guess what you guessed it exactly the same fault as the above car. So i have 2 cars with identical problems, both have good compression, both seem to be shutting down cylinder 3. Both have fault code p0269 which is a balance/contribution fault.

When checking the smooth cylinder balance on Xentry i get:

cylinder 1 10
cylinder 2 9
cylinder 3 -100
cylinder 4 8

doesnt matter which injector i put in which cylinder i get the same readings ie. cylinder 3 is always -60 or above. The actual figures above are not exact just an example.

No other fault code on the cars and as much as im convinced its an injector issue i cannot understand why its always cylinder 3 thats at fault as surely the faulty injector would then be in a different chamber so that cylinder should then show the fault. I dont want to spend ££££s on 2 new sets of injectors if thats not the fault so im hoping somebody with knowledge on these engines can help me.

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Did you get a fuel pressure reading from xentry? The injectors are original in their original locations?, in yr 1st motor
 

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What failed , upper or lower shells ?
 
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Fuel pressure is good, above 300 whilst running, on both cars. Injectors fully recoded to current cylinders as i have moved them around from cylinder to cylinder
bearings had spun on 4th journal.
 
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Have you had a very close look at the electrical plug for injector 3? They are a very crappy design. A bad connection at the plug is possible, but I’d have thought you’d get a fault code specific to the injector circuit.
 
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Yes I had checked the plug. If I disconnect the injector it gives a new code.
 

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Do you have comparative numbers for compression test and cylinder leakage test for each cylinder that we can take a look at?
If the heavy metal checks out the driver in the ecu would be my next suspect. An ecu test at someone like ACTronics would probably be my next step
 

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A quick look at their website suggests common failts with injector drivers...



 
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I had been thinking ecu fault to check next. I will grab compression figures again tomorrow and perform another leak off test.
 

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Early 651 engines can be a pain to bleed, there is a program on star just bleed and even then you have run thru it several times.
 
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I did read regarding the bleeding and have tried it multiple times. Didnt make any difference. I'm just confused why its cylinder 3 on both cars. Its as though the ecu is shutting the cylinder down.
 

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Same prob on 2 ecu.that WOULD be bad luck.unless u swapped then around and issue that occured on ecu ,1 then happened to ecu2 which might suggest some other fault with car ended up screwing with both ecu ??
If you go ecu route I would advise supplier ,repairer to be certain yrs has no such issue on test bed or other motor ,before refitting it to the actual car
 
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I've never swapped the ecus round from car to car. I agree ot would be kinda strange if both ecus were at fault at the same time.
 

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Watchin with much interest with info seen,sorry no idea,good luck.
 

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have you checked you have firing signal at injector #3...…?
 
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Not as yet, I will take a look today.
 
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So I'm sat in the car with xentry, thought I would gather exact info for you guys.

Xentry compression test
Test result
An rpm difference of 17rpm was detected
The check was ok
Cylinder 1 290 1/min
Cylinder 2 285 1/min
Cylinder 3 302 1/min
Cylinder 4 291 1/min

Smooth operation
Values range wildly for cylinder 1,2 and 4 from 0 1/min to 30 1/min. Whilst cylinder 3 is always -100 1/min. I would say that cylinder 1,2 and 4 and trying to over compensate for cylinder 3 hence the figures fluctuating so much.
 

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ACtronics will give you a heads-up if you contact them. They are good and helpful at ecu malfunctions. Other than that, I'm at a loss.
Contact info: 01206 849920
Email info@actronics.co.uk

My gut feeling is as already stated - fuel, rather than electronics though.
 

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ACtronics will give you a heads-up if you contact them. They are good and helpful at ecu malfunctions. Other than that, I'm at a loss.
Contact info: 01206 849920
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My gut feeling is as already stated - fuel, rather than electronics though.

Yes Umblecumbus, but why is Cyl 3 the only one affected then? Normally with contaminated fuel, ( if thats what you mean) all cylinders are affected?
 
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This is what is throwing me, it's always cylinder 3 on both cars. As much as I think it highly unlikely to be both ecus I'm at loss as to what else it could be. I will be giving actronics a quick call.
 
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