iCarsoft MB V2 or get a star done by an indie

[Terrykal]

it seems that the carly pro apparently it doesn't work with my old engine. very peculiar since its a 2006 model. after many-many emails I got my refund and I just ordered a icarsoft mb2. I will probably keep the carly adapter since I purchased the carly for bmw in the past (although now, after driving my cls, I am pretty sure I will stick to MERCs).

 

[NBurns]

Are you talking about the i620?
If so it's a rebadged Vlink Bluetooth dongle which can only read generic codes. It won't for example read SRS, ABS, ESP, SAMs etc. It will only read basic generic engine codes.

The only phone app based system I know of that claims to be able to read all the MB specific modules is Carly for MB but you also need their dongle.

Right okay thank you



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[bembo449]

I echo what others have said about MB2 , decent bit of kit for the money , I have 2 mercs and several customers with them and not come across anything its not been able to do so I don't think you will feel hard done to with the price they are pal

 

[dav1971]

Hi
I have a MBll and a full set of MANN filters (oil, air, fuel, pollen)
I have sold my ML
£110 inc postage
Regards

Thanks for the offer. I had a full service done on it a couple of weeks ago though.

 

[dav1971]

Update on the car:
Took it to local indie last Thursday for Star Diagnostic, no codes showing, cost £72.
They asked me to bring back Monday evening so that they could test from cold, rang me earlier to say still no codes and next step would be to do a leak off test at a cost of £99.
I explained that my local garage had done that again after he fitted the 2 injectors when it went in for service and also checked the glow plugs and everything was fine. He tried to talk me into having it done but I have collected the car as losing confidence in them.

Doing some digging on here I have found this thread https://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/w211-320-cdi-poor-cold-starting.103409/
which it ended up being the glow plug relay and it was doing the same as mine is doing cranks over about 10+ times and white smoke when it fires up then fine for the rest of the day.
If it is the glow plug relay should it have shown codes though.

 

[dav1971]

Update on the car:
Took it to local indie last Thursday for Star Diagnostic, no codes showing, cost £72.
They asked me to bring back Monday evening so that they could test from cold, rang me earlier to say still no codes and next step would be to do a leak off test at a cost of £99.
I explained that my local garage had done that again after he fitted the 2 injectors when it went in for service and also checked the glow plugs and everything was fine. He tried to talk me into having it done but I have collected the car as losing confidence in them.

Doing some digging on here I have found this thread https://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/w211-320-cdi-poor-cold-starting.103409/
which it ended up being the glow plug relay and it was doing the same as mine is doing cranks over about 10+ times and white smoke when it fires up then fine for the rest of the day.
If it is the glow plug relay should it have shown codes though.

Also while I was at the indie last Thursday I waited for the Star Diagnostic to be done as I didn't want to pay for a taxi home only for them to call me with a price to fix that I couldn't afford, I live in a rural area so getting a taxi is expensive and hard to get.

I was listening to conversations going on and it seemed there was a new girl and she was talking to the service manager about doing an invoice, overheard him say yes it is 4 x injectors.
When he told me that there was no codes from the Star and that I need to bring it back for a cold start test I reminded him that I told him this was what was happening and that my local garage had done tests and found 2 injectors faulty which I had him fit and no codes showing.
He then said, talking about the invoice I overheard about the 4 injectors for another customer, we would replace all as the others could fail in a week , mine is a V6 so if I had taken initially to them they would have quoted to replace 6 injectors which I said to him and he agreed.
Is it me or is that like having a tyre blow out and replace all 4 just in case the other 3 might do the same in a week? Local garage said that yes other injectors can go faulty a week later but they can also go on for years. Even to have the option would be nice but indie said that it is their policy to replace all.
On the Indies literature they boast that they are the largest independent in the UK for car and commercial, while sat there I did feel like a bit of a small fry while wagons where coming in out and got the impression that they couldn't be bothered with something as trivial as my car unless I was going to hand over wads of cash.

Also forgot to mention on the parking sensors that they found that the outer 2 rear parking sensors are at fault, my local garage had said this to me but he said he wasn't 100% sure. Local garage said to buy a couple from Ebay which are under £10 each, said he would need to drop the bumper and said he would do it for £80, also said he had a spray touch up so I wouldn't need that.
Indie quoted me £341 to do.

Wish I had bought the iCarsoft now as the money spent on the Star and taxi's would have nearly paid for it, £72 for the Star and £42 in taxi's to be told what my local garage had told me .

 

[LostKiwi]

Which indy was it?

 

[NBurns]

It sounds like the independent mercedes benz garages could do with signing up to this report:- https://trustedtraders.which.co.uk/popular/motor-vehicle-mechanics/



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[dav1971]

Which indy was it?

Star Car & Commercials near Goole

 

[dav1971]

Which indy was it?

Also had a word with my local garage that fitted the injectors.
Told him about what I had found on a thread on here about the Glow Plug Relay and he said that he did test it with a multimeter and power was going to it for 40 seconds. He did say that he expected it to be that as that is usually the culprit but with no codes showing he tested with a multimeter. He said in 20 years on mercy 95% of the time it is the injectors or the relay, other times it is the o-rings usually.
He has offered to fit a relay and o-rings on the injectors for free if I buy them when he fits the parking sensors.

I'm not sure which relay to buy though if you can help, I've taken a picture of mine and found the same GSE114 and with the 0522140709 but the SW and HW numbers are different, are these just batch numbers?

 

[W245207]

https://www.ilcats.ru/mercedes/?function=getModels&class=1&language=en

If you put your VIN. Go to Engine -> Engine Electrical Equipment. Click on item #10 and read off the latest part number.

 

[Brian23]

What? It has nothing to do with Apple - iCarsoft is a totally standalone device.

OP, your starting problem probably requires analysis of live data as opposed to looking at fault codes. That requires experience of what the values mean and how they compare to good values. If you know what to look for then an iCarsoft would make sense. If not take it to an indy.

How do you view live data on iCarsoft?

 

[LostKiwi]

How do you view live data on iCarsoft?

It's under "Read Datastream".
It's the bottom menu option when you select a module.

 

[Brian23]

It's under "Read Datastream".
It's the bottom menu option when you select a module.

Thank you

 

[NBurns]

What? It has nothing to do with Apple - iCarsoft is a totally standalone device.

OP, your starting problem probably requires analysis of live data as opposed to looking at fault codes. That requires experience of what the values mean and how they compare to good values. If you know what to look for then an iCarsoft would make sense. If not take it to an indy.

Sorry no. I meant when you export the data to another machine. I use Apple MacBook currently.



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[alexanderfoti]

In the case of injectors, if you are trying to diagonise a rough running fault, combustion noise or misfire fault, and they are all worn out, they wont give an accurate pointer as to which one to replace, even with leak off values or rough running values (as they will be all off).

If the customer is happy to wait a while, we can do worst one, then test and go from there, obviously there is an increased labour cost in these.

The last 651 we did with rough running and smoke problems was 3 injectors in the end. Only one was out of spec on leak off and adjustment values.

 

[Terrykal]

I echo what others have said about MB2 , decent bit of kit for the money , I have 2 mercs and several customers with them and not come across anything its not been able to do so I don't think you will feel hard done to with the price they are pal

I received mine previous week and already had a quick go. generally speaking I am happy with it but would like few more things like for example to be able to see all the faults/events etc under one list and not having to enter each single module. Maybe I am missing something and I should spend some time with it and online to figure out if there is an option like this.

Also, although they advertise that it can do bms (like for example battery registration) unfortunately it is not an option, at least for my w219 (to be fair they had already advised me accordingly in their reply via email before my decision to purchase the mb v2).

 

[W245207]

I received mine previous week and already had a quick go. generally speaking I am happy with it but would like few more things like for example to be able to see all the faults/events etc under one list and not having to enter each single module. Maybe I am missing something and I should spend some time with it and online to figure out if there is an option like this.

Also, although they advertise that it can do bms (like for example battery registration) unfortunately it is not an option, at least for my w219 (to be fair they had already advised me accordingly in their reply via email before my decision to purchase the mb v2).

Only OBDII/EOBD section does, but probably limited to emissions. I agree it's painful if you had to read 40+ control units to individually read faults. The live data is useful, but the screen output is limited to 5 (6?) entries per page and depending on the test, you could be scrolling through six pages, although you can individually select what to you want to display. Latest version is 19.09 which they release monthly via web update.

They've added DPF, brake bleeding and injector coding in the service menu since I've owned the MBv2 for over a year. In future you may get battery registration and other adaptations.

 

[NBurns]

Only OBDII/EOBD section does, but probably limited to emissions. I agree it's painful if you had to read 40+ control units to individually read faults. The live data is useful, but the screen output is limited to 5 (6?) entries per page and depending on the test, you could be scrolling through six pages, although you can individually select what to you want to display. Latest version is 19.09 which they release monthly via web update.

They've added DPF, brake bleeding and injector coding in the service menu since I've owned the MBv2 for over a year. In future you may get battery registration and other adaptations.

Had do you know when they release an update on the software?



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[Botus]

on the glow plug control box (aka relay) they get superseded, get old stock and it'll come out lower than one they just made.

bearing in mind the 12 year old one had HW and SW version from 2004, a 2010 or 2014 version is unlikely to do much other than be better than the worn out original

when I put one in my father's v6 tractor there seemed to be at least 5 versions between the one I fitted and the one it had, seems to drive just the same before and after, it probably just gets a more accurate die age built in

these where the bits I noticed when sourcing one on his e280 cdi v6 the 900 looks different to the 153 ones but all plugs in and works the same, but do need to reroute a cable so it fits a bit better

A642 153 0379 SW10/04 HW01/04
A642 153 2079 SW40/05 HW01/04
A642 900 5801 SW22/12 HW17/10
A642 900 7801 SW26/14 HW20/14