Electric cars..been reading on the other forum...I have some thoughts

[ioweddie]

A few thoughts of mine on the subject

Brake Dust will become the latest problem along with dust from the carbon brushes if they have them
****** long wire if you live in a tower block
Claims against the local council when people trip up over wire from your house across the path to your car in the road
safe disposal of clapped out batteries...who pays and where do they go
what if you have a serious crash...toxic stuff all over you and the road
The government will tax the hell out of it as they do now with diesel and petrol
Power cuts all over the country when everyone plugs in after work
pedestrians getting run over as they can't hear the electric car coming
petrol stations will go bust as not enough people using them...so what then..

 

[ajlsl600]

not interested, there be a whole bunch of bigger fish they need to fry before shafting the small guys with all the cons of battery cars hydrogen i can see the point and right now (tho i aint buying one ) i believe some hybrids offer a reasonable compromise especially if yr changing yr car every yr. tho how that ends up for the environment is up for question in my view. the cynic in me says like diesel WAS this is the latest stepping stone that will be forced onto consumers to keep the car industry going en route to a more desirable solution .

 

[Dean Fletcher]

not interested, there be a whole bunch of bigger fish they need to fry before shafting the small guys with all the cons of battery cars hydrogen i can see the point and right now (tho i aint buying one ) i believe some hybrids offer a reasonable compromise especially if yr changing yr car every yr. tho how that ends up for the environment is up for question in my view. the cynic in me says like diesel WAS this is the latest stepping stone that will be forced onto consumers to keep the car industry going en route to a more desirable solution .

Couldn't agree more

 

[Frontstep]

The reality is the headlong rush to produce electric vehicles will produce a glut as for many people they aren't viable, prices will fall and some famous names will disappear.

Like many technologies it has raced ahead of the infrastructure necessary to support it.

Government has to orchestrate these changes and it hasn't.

We the consumer need a clear lead based on facts and science, at the moment diesel is the enemy yet the sector contains a huge range of emission outputs, they certainly aren't all created equal.

As to charging you might find yourself a little short on the supply side,

https://andersen-ev.com/charging-academy/what-power-do-i-need-to-charge-my-electric-vehicle/

 

[js190d]

the cynic in me says like diesel WAS this is the latest stepping stone that will be forced onto consumers to keep the car industry going en route to a more desirable solution .

Agree with this, electric cars are just a way point towards the real aim which sadly is in my opinion to make personal powered transport such as a car unfeasible.
Linked in with the whole climate change lie and associated taxation personal ownership of a car will be very expensive (if allowed at all) and more importantly morally unacceptable in the future.

 

[ajlsl600]

Agree with this, electric cars are just a way point towards the real aim which sadly is in my opinion to make personal powered transport such as a car unfeasible.
Linked in with the whole climate change lie and associated taxation personal ownership of a car will be very expensive (if allowed at all) and more importantly morally unacceptable in the future.

good luck with that me, i will be a thing of the past! my wife suggests i already am...

 

[Frontstep]

good luck with that me, i will be a thing of the past! my wife suggests i already am...

Has she got a replacement ?

 

[M80]

First there needs to be a standard agreed,
and don't expect the best to win or we wouldn't have neded up with VHS.

Power pack swap outs at refuelling points can be the only feasible method of re energizing ev's for the majority. And similar to refuelling now it's just a matter of engineering.

In conclusion those buying into ev now are just guinea piggies, while the industry learns the way forward.

 

[davemercedes]

The motor industry like standards...
- They have lots of them!

 

[js190d]

Maybe the Eu's new Green Deal investment plan (unveiled on 14th Jan) will accelerate electric car infrastructure who knows.

From what i have read the only beneficiary is the European Investment bank making a killing with "low interest" loans (for billions of Euros). So you can save the planet and get richer at the same time, what a surprise.

https://www.eubusiness.com/topics/environ/green-investment-transition

 

[Philedge]

Maybe the Eu's new Green Deal investment plan (unveiled on 14th Jan) will accelerate electric car infrastructure who knows.QUOTE]

Not likely to impact UK now we're not in their club!

With a forecast 30% increase in grid loading for mass EV use, I doubt there'll be significant roll out of EV charging infrastructure until grid managed smart chargers are widely available

 

[bembo449]

it will all end in tears , like so many things in the world that truly are not thought through fully , last couple of years a few classic cars have sold for millions , will the mega rich let the value of such things free fall ?? I very much doubt it , money is power ( no pun intended ) and that's where this electric revolution will stall , plus I don't know anyone that wants an electric car and the only ones I ever see are tesla's which are owned by rich folk rubbing the noses of their neighbours up the wrong way , also so Audi ! no less have just made a good number of its S models , diesel power only , now why would they do that ?? do they know something we don't ??

 

[Taffy7hfa]

Unless battery technology takes a huge leap forward the deal breaker for the average motorist like me will always be range and re-charging times, as Bembo says currently Teslas are a novelty item for the rich and not a practical proposition. Something massive will need to happen before EV's really take off.

 

[Blobcat]

Problem with range is that you don’t get all of it and you spend your time searching for recharging points. It’s a bit like driving an ICE car with the fuel warning light on all the time.

 

[Rappey69]

Carwow took 6 electric cars and drove them all together until they stopped ! merc, audi, jag, Nissan leaf, kia and tesla.
Most did around 200 miles. The kia managed 90% of its claimed mileage. The tesla went further than the others at 275 miles..
Buy a car that is 1973 or older, then no road tax, no mot... no worries

 

[js190d]

Carwow took 6 electric cars and drove them all together until they stopped ! merc, audi, jag, Nissan leaf, kia and tesla.
Most did around 200 miles. The kia managed 90% of its claimed mileage. The tesla went further than the others at 275 miles..
Buy a car that is 1973 or older, then no road tax, no mot... no worries

I have not watched the video but the thumbnail shows the man starting a diesel generator next to the tesla. Now that is what is needed in the boot of every electric car to make it usable.
Or you could just buy a diesel car in the first place.

 

[Rappey69]

The generated was carried in the support vehicle in case a car crapped out miles away from anywhere ! They were also saying The recovery services now have to carry a huge generator for stranded ev,s
There is one part to electric cars I absolutely love - the performance of the tesla model S .. delivered in a unique acceleration experience that no ice car can match.

 

[AMGeed]

There is one part to electric cars I absolutely love - the performance of the tesla model S .. delivered in a unique acceleration experience that no ice car can match.

When are you getting a Tesla?

 

[Uncle Benz]

I've driven a few model S Teslas. The acceleration is impressive, but they are a bit of a one trick pony and the thrill soon wears off. Eats the range if you hoon it a lot too. The handling initially feels impressive, but you quickly realise that most of the weight being low down helps it corner very flat. When you start asking it to link a couple of corners together suddenly the weight of the thing becomes apparent. Air ride on all four corners makes them comfortable and the overall package is fine, but a bit dull. A little Korean on the inside and a bit Audi in terms of driving involvement. I had to replace a defective front parking sensor on a P85 the other day. The centre screen/interface gizmo was having a total meltdown over a simple sensor fault. Anyway, when I removed the front bumper everything behind there had an air of early nineties Daewoo Matiz about it. Lots of double sided foam tape and mismatched bolts and washers. Not for me I'm afraid

 

[LostKiwi]

I have not watched the video but the thumbnail shows the man starting a diesel generator next to the tesla. Now that is what is needed in the boot of every electric car to make it usable.
Or you could just buy a diesel car in the first place.

Or not. Diesel is not and cannot be an environmentally friendly fuel. The longer the carbon chain the more pollutants. CNG is cleaner than LPG is cleaner than diesel is cleaner than heavy oil is cleaner than coal (before exhaust cleaning takes place).

Electric cars are becoming more commonplace. There are 2 I have seen on our (small) housing estate. A company we do business with has decreed all future company vehicles will be electric only.
When Karl Benz developed the first car his wife had to go searching for petrol along her route in order to get to her parents house. I used to have to go hunting for LPG when I had my LPG powered Land Cruiser (I really don't understand why the take up of LPG wasn't better).
If hydrogen ever makes a commercial appearance that also will be hard to find. It's the hazard of emergent technology.

The infrastructure won't appear till there's the demand but the demand won't be there without a supporting infrastructure. Chicken and egg.

Problems with hydrogen will prevent its appearance any time soon however electric is here now. I fully expect electric to continue to dominate the retail zero emissions market for the next 10 years at least, probably a lot longer if battery technology can be improved orcs faster recharge infrastructure developed (rapid change batteries for example).

On that subject there has been a comment about serious accidents and toxic substances spilling out. Not much different to petrol/diesel cars then. And not all battery technologies require toxic chemicals to function. Some are made up of everyday substance we handle everyday of our lives. There is a lot of research taking place into battery and super capacitor technologies (as well as hydrogen fuel cell). Graphene in particular looks very promising with energy density approaching 1000Ah/kg and power density approaching 22kW/kg.

It strikes me many of the detractors do so as a result of prejudice using questionable 'facts' and statements to support their arguments without fact checking them.

Like it or not the electric car is here for a while yet and it will spell the end of diesel and petrol powered cars. You can try and fight it (like King Canute) or embrace it.