City Diesel Bans.

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Except when doing a regen.....

Saab did a similar test in the 90s and showed tailpipe emissions were cleaner than surrounding air (on a petrol engine).
 
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Some one will contest the bans on the science if they just impose diesel car only bans.
 

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It will be done the same way they penalised petrol cars in the past - on a subset of emissions that diesels struggle with.
 

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Im going to invest in a horse and cart for future city travel. Thinking a nice webasto diesel heater for the inside to make it nice and toasty.
 

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So if little cars can clean the polluted air in a city are we in line for larger municipal air cleaning plants?
That's got to be better than scrapping millions of healthy cars and trying to recycle spent fuel cells from ev's.

Less revenue to Gov't's though.
 

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Im going to invest in a horse and cart for future city travel. Thinking a nice webasto diesel heater for the inside to make it nice and toasty.
If you do you will have to invest in a poo catcher like they see on the tourist horse & carts in Chania. Will you have to have your horses @rse tested for emissions to see if they are within council tolerances? Will they only allow horses that eat fresh fodder? Will there be a ban on hay fed?
 

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If you do you will have to invest in a poo catcher like they see on the tourist horse & carts in Chania. Will you have to have your horses @rse tested for emissions to see if they are within council tolerances? Will they only allow horses that eat fresh fodder? Will there be a ban on hay fed?
Nothing is new
 

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If you do you will have to invest in a poo catcher like they see on the tourist horse & carts in Chania. Will you have to have your horses @rse tested for emissions to see if they are within council tolerances? Will they only allow horses that eat fresh fodder? Will there be a ban on hay fed?

I was actually thinking i could park my horse and cart outside Newcastle Civic centre, go about my business in town and then return to find my old nag had done it's business as well. Double win!

Might also need a diesel generator in the back of the cart as well as a diesel heater so i can run my horse sat nav.
 

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So if little cars can clean the polluted air in a city are we in line for larger municipal air cleaning plants?
That's got to be better than scrapping millions of healthy cars and trying to recycle spent fuel cells from ev's.

Less revenue to Gov't's though.
You make an interesting point that the enviromental lobby seem to miss, maybe on purpose.

From what i have read particulates are the problem. Tyres, brakes and exhausts contribute to this pollution. Walk along the side of any motorway or duel carriagway and the paths and grass verges are filthy with this "dust"

So why is'nt there some form of suction air cleaning systems in place on these roads to hoover up this dust. They could be incorporated into the existing drainage system and lead to an air cleaning plant of some description. Could be paid for via road tax.

Seems quite simple.
 

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It's generally more cost effective to stop pollution at source, than to try to take pollution out of the environment afterwards.
 

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It's generally more cost effective to stop pollution at source, than to try to take pollution out of the environment afterwards.
But electric cars still have tyres and brakes so that particulate pollution will still be there after petrol & diesel cars are banned from cities.
 

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It's generally more cost effective to stop pollution at source, than to try to take pollution out of the environment afterwards.

It's an old debate now really.
We take diesels off the roads, even if they have a good service life left in them.
We produce new greener cars, and ignore the pollution caused by that production.
We amend the infrastructure to accommodate the better for the environment cars, and ignore the effect on the planet of new cabling, machines contributing to the pollution as they carry out the works, and the extra concrete needed (that apparently is bad for the environment).
Meanwhile we must pay for all of this, and be happy that we are supposedly saving the planet.

There will be no initiatives to reduce road miles as that is revenue for Gov't's (in some taxable form or another), and would be true prevention. So there will be evil outcomes from road use.

And anyway it's all absolute cr*p until the worlds leaders recognise a need for long term population reduction strategies.
Another 25% of us by 2050 will mean more anti planet effects in so many forms the worries around cars and reducing their effects will be insignificant. According to the fishes that have an increasing diet of plastic, bees that are disappearing, and new forests of palm oil trees that the monkeys don't like so much.

Let's not worry about how we get our new cars delivered around the world, that are going to save us, as that's just being cynical,
 
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Practical solutions to environmental problems are what is needed, and throughout the uk people have been doing these things for many years as a matter of course.

The current hysterics by the likes of Thunberg (nice new bbc job) and Extinction Rebellion are so contrived as to be laughable.

There "rebellion" is only accepted by the status quo because it will facilitate massive tax rises and lead to a surpressed population afraid of their own shadows.
 

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Practical solutions to environmental problems are what is needed
Like an enhanced rail network, electric buses, enhanced cycle network and expensive electric cars that the masses cant or dont want to pay for.

The writing is on the wall for everyone to see
 


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