MANDATORY RECALL: Software update for your diesel engine

[davidsl500]

How do you differentiate from NOx and PM2.5 deaths from Coal and Wood Fires (seasoned or not) against diesel cars?

 

[LostKiwi]

How do you differentiate from NOx and PM2.5 deaths from Coal and Wood Fires (seasoned or not) against diesel cars?

Fairly easy. Wood and coal fires tend to found outside cities. Traffic density tends to be higher inside cities. Look for incidence per 1000 people and then examine trends.

 

[Philedge]

"However there are few if any death certificates issued in the UK with the cause of death as "car emissions" on them. I would think coroners not wishing to be found guilty of perjury may be the reason for this.

Other than a suicide case I doubt there are any death certificates with "car emissions" as the cause of death on them. Thats because car emissions are PART of the problem, as stated.

 

[js190d]

Other than a suicide case I doubt there are any death certificates with "car emissions" as the cause of death on them. Thats because car emissions are PART of the problem, as stated.

You see when things are put in a less emotive way the public will not switch off and do the opposite. Killing people prematurely is nonsense just like the world being on fire is nonsense.

 

[grayb]

I think that as the scientific evidence has been ignored for 30 years, then some people might feel justified in shouting louder.

 

[js190d]

I think that as the scientific evidence has been ignored for 30 years, then some people might feel justified in shouting louder.

None the wiser that they are shouting for their own enslavement.

 

[LostKiwi]

You see when things are put in a less emotive way the public will not switch off and do the opposite. Killing people prematurely is nonsense just like the world being on fire is nonsense.

You're in denial that NOx is an issue. Scientific evidence from unbiased scientific studies is compelling.
The links provided already demonstrate the immediate health risks to humans.
Longer term N2O (one of the NOx family though admittedly quite small as a direct result of ICE usage) is estimated to be 300x more harmful as a greenhouse gas than CO2.
Google it. I don't expect you to take my word for it. See from your own research how harmful it is.
Then once researched come back and show me one single peer reviewed independent publication that shows NOx is not harmful to human health or that N2O is not a harmful greenhouse gas.

I'm thankful that governments are finally doing the right thing and starting to target the full suite of pollutants. When they address the imbalance in vehicle taxation we will be getting towards a fair and equitable system as opposed to the heavily biased anti petrol one we have now (which is based solely on CO2).

I have always been against people defeating pollution control measures (DPF removal, EGR defeat, catalytic converter removal etc) on either petrol or diesel vehicles. Aside from being illegal it's irresponsible and morally indefensible. I would place not installing software updates to fix emissions issues in the same boat as removing emissions controls.

Some might call that sanctimonious but it's my philosophy on pretty much everything - do the right thing or do nothing at all.

 

[LostKiwi]

None the wiser that they are shouting for their own enslavement.

If you don't want to be enslaved use your democratic vote to fight it.

But then again NOx has nothing to do with enslavement. It's all to do with how we choose to treat our environment.

 

[Liamski]

Another 5 litre V8 environmentalist.

The new 5.0 V8 is probably more environmentally friendly and economical than my old 2.0 W201 Automatic. Also, NOTHING sounds like a well sorted V8 (SOD the environment, gimmie the SOUND!!).

 

[js190d]

Tax bands and Co2 levels tell a different story. Band M for a 2010 s500.

Unless of course Co2 is now unimportant all of a sudden


"If you don't want to be enslaved use your democratic vote to fight it."

Non Government Organisations such as Extinction Rebellion and Greta Thunberg Inc. are unaccountable, very well funded ( some XR activists are paid to protest), have huge media presence (and overall approval) and political backing at the highest level. They are nothing but change activists bought and paid for.

They push your agenda. The people have no option but to listen.

If these protestors were truly "radical" they would be demanding the historical polluters pay. You know the ones who have made all the money from polluting. Banks, oil companies etc. Sky news could let the public know the names of the refuse corporations who have ships full of plastic to be dumped in the sea but no it's the publics fault.

Democracy? do me a favour more like a constant monologue of impending doom.

You carry on polluting in your V8's and i will carry on polluting in my diesels. Both will be banned all too soon i am afraid and we will all be back to horses and carts, except for some of course.

 

[LostKiwi]

CO2 is not as immediately nor as seriously harmful as NOx.
Governments enact legislation. Democracy determines governments.
Activists just make noise.

 

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[Philedge]

If these protestors were truly "radical" they would be demanding the historical polluters pay. You know the ones who have made all the money from polluting. Banks, oil companies etc.

Like the rest of us, youd probably get a more accurate picture of the polluters by looking in a mirror. Banks and oil companies have just met a demand from those in the first worlds mirrors. Most people have made alot of money by being able to easily commute to the job of their choice, shop where they want etc etc

 

[John Laidlaw]

We’re all guilty unless we walk and don’t fart

 

[js190d]

The notion of an individual being "guilty" is ridiculous.

 

[LostKiwi]

The notion of an individual being "guilty" is ridiculous.

Individuals make the choices that cause the pollution.

 

[LostKiwi]

Interesting reading:
https://epha.org/wp-content/uploads...lth-impacts-costs-diesel-emissions-eu-def.pdf

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/2017_09_Diesel_report_final.pdf

 

[js190d]

Individuals make the choices that cause the pollution.

There is no choice. You can choose whatever brand of car, fuel type, economy or age. They all pollute. There production is massively polluting but that is not visible.

The notion of individual consumers living in a Western economy making a choice to pollute or not is a nonsense. The whole system is designed so you consume things. That creates pollution through the production of things.

When cars are all electric it is just a different thing being made that pollutes in a new way. Back to the stone age is the solution, and obviously that is not an option.

 

[LostKiwi]

There is no choice. You can choose whatever brand of car, fuel type, economy or age. They all pollute. There production is massively polluting but that is not visible.

The notion of individual consumers living in a Western economy making a choice to pollute or not is a nonsense. The whole system is designed so you consume things. That creates pollution through the production of things.

When cars are all electric it is just a different thing being made that pollutes in a new way. Back to the stone age is the solution, and obviously that is not an option.

You can equally choose not only what fuel etc but also whether to buy a car at all or whether to use the car to go to the shops etc.

No one takes you to the car dealers at gunpoint to force you to buy a car. No one forces you at gunpoint to drive to the shops.

 

[Rappey69]

I was told many years ago that "recent" diesels were a lot more harmfull for us due to particulates, breathing them in and then they get absorbed into the lungs.
Old diesels on the other hand had such huge particulates that they got exhaled as to large to reside in lung tissue, or something like that.
Could this mb software update be to remove the cheat devices mb appeared to have used?
My car is 138g/km , or 0.038 according to my v5, but emisions analytics put it at 200 g/km in real world driving...
I read what "fossil fuel suplements" really are last week.. omg, seems vehicles are not the thing to worry about when governments are giving so much tax payers money to fat cat fuel companys to look for even more fossil fuels when what we already have is enough to push pollution to a irreversible level ?