320CE Oil Filter

[turnipsock]

How the heck do you get the cover of the oil filter on a 320CE?

Remember that I don't like porridge or have 'fingers of steel'.

 

[television]

is it on top of the engine.

Malcolm

 

[turnipsock]

It's sort of on the top but right at the back. There is no way to get a tool on it without removing a load of bits.

 

[turnipsock]

Here is a picture.

 

[television]

If your engine is the 119 that is not the oil filter its a large 3.5 in diameter .there is a bolt in the center, its below the rad filler cap.
If you are stuck Please give engine number and you can have picture in the morning

Malcolm

 

[television]

Sorry ,its not 119 your engine is a 601/2/4/5 the oil filter cap is held on with two nuts, the cap is about 10cm in diameter , I think its on the other side from your photo's

Malcolm

 

[turnipsock]

I had a look at the engine, there is nothing on the right hand side. I'm sure the thing we are looking at is the oil filter. This is on the nearside rear.

 

[Richard Moakes]

If yours is a 320CE, then surely you will have an M104 engine?

My father has a E320 saloon, on his M104 engine, the oil filter is on the nearside rear of the engine, it's not a canister type, you remove a cap and then remove a filter from inside that.

Richard

 

[E320C]

Oil filter

Hi, pretty easy to do, just use an adjustable wrench or an oil filter canester remover.

IMHO - I used to put MB original in mine till I got P eed off at looking at the Hengst filter inside the MB box at MB price. I just buy Hengst filter's now, same MB filter minus MB box for @ £1.40 cheaper.

Regards

E320C

 

[turnipsock]

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040211424&r=2076&g=111

this looks like the tool I need

 

[television]

Just for the record this engine is a 102, 2 types of filter were fitted, the instructions I gave in my last post is correct for one type, and the other is the quick change cartridge, the other type.
you can make your own removal tool, a piece of wood with a hole in the end, a piece of string tied in a loop that just slips over the filter, wind the wood with a spanner and it will wind it off

Malcolm

 

[turnipsock]

I'll have to find out what engine numbers I have one of these days. I have never really looked before but it would make things easier if I worked this out.

The cars are as shown in my signature and are pretty standard except the 320CE has the Diavia A/C fitted.

 

[andy_k]

if it's the oil filter on the 320CE as the header says it's not the 102 engine (well not unless MB built a lesser known 3.2 litre version of their famous single cam 4 cylinder engine usually fitted to the 200/230 models between 1984 and 1993).

My slightly more inspired guess is that it's an M104 3.2 straight 6 twin cam engine.

Yep, the oil filter cover is a pain to get off but Halfords sell a tool for about a fiver which looks very similar to the one you showed a pic of and it makes the Job a breeze.

Malcolm, your idea may work on most air filter covers but on this engine space is limited and it would prove very awkward to get the offset required to use the wood and string.

As I said in another post, handing out information is great and we all appreciate yourr efforts but please make sure you are actually reading from the right page of your workshop manuals before you start quoting them.

Andy

 

[Ian Brown]

Sorry ,its not 119 your engine is a 601/2/4/5 the oil filter cap is held on with two nuts, the cap is about 10cm in diameter , I think its on the other side from your photo's

Malcolm

Is that not the 601-602 diesel engines that is fitted with that filter with the two nuts on it.

 

[television]

With 100.000 pages of info Wis says 102 Astra says 104 if I did not spend so much time looking as to what their car is; I can get closer to the fault.

With 10 different C200's class 202-203 If the owner can be bothered to look at the number, the first 6 would do (type-engine) then I can at least work on the fault, you have also on this car 4sp non electric box 4 sp electric, 5sp electric with 120 mods along with them, in this case the oil filter info is the same and correct, they came with two types.

Re my efforts How do you read from the wrong page very easy if I have to guess at what car they have got, and that is the reason I put up the other post. Put garbage in and the same comes out, life has always been that way

I have a 65 percent success rate going by my Emails and thanks here.
If I did not have a fair knowledge of rebuilding engines and auto boxes I would not even try to answer anything, I am quite happy to stop


Malcolm

 

[andy_k]

I know the range is huge and that there are many variations, it's not your job to know them all and nobody expects you too but people who are given advice tend to trust it. This thread is a prime example of where wrong information was handed out. You told somebody who had already stated his car model and engine size he had two completely different and totatally incorrect engines. One was a diesel (601) and one was a 4 cylinder petrol (202) engine. OK you didn't know so why the hell were you there telling somebody that the part they had correctly identified as the oil filter on their M104 engine that was not the correct part??????

The WIS sheets are great in the hands of a qualified mechanic (who they are designed for) with a working knowledge of the marque and access to a star diagnosis machine connected to the car in question. From your replies it seems you are neither and as it's the internet it's safe to assume the car's you are diagnosing are not connected to any computer of yours.

I don't care whether you shut up or not but it worries me greatly that people with less knowledge will trust your information and end up with incorrect informationm and a costly repair you accept no responsibilty for.

You have a duty to all to make sure that any information you post here (or anywhere else) is as accurate as possible and it should be based on personal experience not on reading a few pages from a 10,000 page manual. If you don't have a proper answer don't post rubbish!!!

65% success rate?? well, how about you go to your mechanic and he says I'll take a guess based on looking at the books and there's a 1 in 3 chance I'll get it wrong! - would you still trust him??

Please answer the foillowing questions 100% honestly

In the last 10 years how many different models of Mercedes have you worked on (please include engine size, configuration etc).

Without the WIS sheets how many of your answers would you be able to give?

How well in your opinion do you know the range and history of the marque? Please bear in mind the debacle of this thread which shows you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the W124 range.

Andy

 

[Ian Brown]

Please answer the foillowing questions 100% honestly

In the last 10 years how many different models of Mercedes have you worked on (please include engine size, configuration etc).



Andy

Television is nearly 71 years of age i don't think he has worked on many models in the past ten years, he may have being reading about them.

 

[television]

Television is nearly 71 years of age i don't think he has worked on many models in the past ten years, he may have being reading about them.

A service manager does not work on any cars ,A good service manager can go from an MB outlet to a Ford outlet. he knows how they work and has a very good background in engineering, Can You make any part that you need, I can for the best part. Have you done line boring, cast your own bearings,can you use a Milling machine,shaper, surface grinder,cylindrical grinder,If you needed to make a new shaft, do you know what metal to use, how it should be tempered. when you gat out of your napkins you may learn that nothing much has changed in this last 90 years. the only thing that has changed is the electrics, and on that point nothing has changed , if you know your theory you can work anything out. Have you had 435 cars in your life, I do not think so. sinse do not find grease monkeys driving around in the cars that I own and drive.

Re how many MB cars have I worked on, well I do not have to get very dirty these days, but around 30 for a local garage and a coach builders. I may be 70 but I love working and will for some time.

Malcolm

 

[television]

I know the range is huge and that there are many variations, it's not your job to know them all and nobody expects you too but people who are given advice tend to trust it. This thread is a prime example of where wrong information was handed out. You told somebody who had already stated his car model and engine size he had two completely different and totatally incorrect engines. One was a diesel (601) and one was a 4 cylinder petrol (202) engine. OK you didn't know so why the hell were you there telling somebody that the part they had correctly identified as the oil filter on their M104 engine that was not the correct part??????
The photo did not show the oil filter, its on the other side. I can put up photo's where MB say it has a 102 and another where it has a 104

The WIS sheets are great in the hands of a qualified mechanic (who they are designed for) with a working knowledge of the marque and access to a star diagnosis machine connected to the car in question. From your replies it seems you are neither and as it's the internet it's safe to assume the car's you are diagnosing are not connected to any computer of yours
NO the lead from my computer is to short to reach,maybe the range of blue tooth will help that one

I don't care whether you shut up or not but it worries me greatly that people with less knowledge will trust your information and end up with incorrect informationm and a costly repair you accept no responsibilty for.
please name one person who has wasted money on what I have said

You have a duty to all to make sure that any information you post here (or anywhere else) is as accurate as possible and it should be based on personal experience not on reading a few pages from a 10,000 page manual. If you don't have a proper answer don't post rubbish!!!
Why then is there always someone on WIS in an MB garage when they should know it all,And why can some other people post rubbish,are you going to start on them?

65% success rate?? well, how about you go to your mechanic and he says I'll take a guess based on looking at the books and there's a 1 in 3 chance I'll get it wrong! - would you still trust him??
Don't take things and twist them I said 65percent of solving the problem. Your maths are not very good 2 out of 3
Please answer the foillowing questions 100% honestly

In the last 10 years how many different models of Mercedes have you worked on (please include engine size, configuration etc).
on over 30 I have helped to solve the problems

Without the WIS sheets how many of your answers would you be able to give?
That's interesting probably only simple things like fuel injection, common rail injection, charging, relays, fuel pumps, oil presure, timing chains,brakes.
bearings.etc, but without my WIS I would not know that a 210 from 01 06 99 would need a new inlet manifold if it smoked, would you.
How well in your opinion do you know the range and history of the marque? Please bear in mind the debacle of this thread which shows you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the W124 range.
Funny, so that wonderfull 300TE that I kept for 5 years was a 124, well I did not know that, I have though driven about 40 different cars and had close contact with them
Andy

My answers are in bold, If people other than you want me to leave the forum its fine by me, just ask a few people to have their say

Malcolm

 

[andy_k]

Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm,

please do not attempt to patronise me or make me seem silly by telling me all about how you can machine parts, or that you've had more cars than me for the most part that was irrelevant but since you ask, I have a fully fitted CNC lathe along with two other metal working lathes (there's even one in my bedroom - good job I have an understanding wife).I'm not an expert with a lathe, but then again I don't pretend to be just because I have a book about it but I can use one sufficiently well to machine parts where required.

Having owned 435 cars in your time is wonderful, assuming you are now 70 that works out at approximately one new car every six weeks for the past 55 years. No, my car ownersip comes nothing near that figure - over the past 30 years it's probably nearer to 25 cars (excluding track and race cars I've built)but at least I've kept cars long enough to understand how they work and what engine is fitted to them

which brings me to my next point....

You cannot possibly show me (or anyone else) where MB says that Turnipsock's car which is a 1993 6 cylinder 320 CE (that's a W124 not a C W202/3 class) has a 4 cylinder 102 engine - it was quite simply never fitted to that car as and to claim that it was and that you have a photo is ridiculous - end of that story.

Not many people on here post rubbish, they have the good grace to keep quiet if they know nothing of the subject. That is the joy of these forums, a pooled knowledge base of peoples experience, where they can help and advise others based on how they did the job. Just reading pages from the manual isn't helping when you are reading the wrong pages.

how are my maths at fault? You claim a 65% rate or 2 out of 3, I said that's a 1 in three chance you get your diagnosis wrong, there's no twisting of figures there as it's exactly what you said and you still haven't offered any specifics as to which Mercs you've worked on or have experience of.

It's not about you leaving the forums, it's about you accepting with good grace that what you are attempting to do is beyond your current capabilities because you do not fully understand the WIS or the marque. Misinformation is worse than no information at all so unless you are 100% sure of the advice you are handing out, may I suggest you add a caveat along the following lines "any information offered here is not based on my personal experience but upon information I have gleaned from a manual. Before accepting any of my advice I strongly suggest that you ask someone else who may be better qualified to offer assistance"

Andy