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Discussion in 'General Mercedes-Benz Related Discussion' started by horgantrevor, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. Capra

    Capra Senior Member

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    You can say that whenever a drives loses control, comes off the track that this is reckless. As for driving into Hamilton, he was trying his best to save the car.
     
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    We have to bear in mind that the stewards have access to the full set of telemetry data from the cars, unlike the viewers.
    They were obviously of the opinion that Vettel could have taken some avoiding action once he lost the back end - maybe he kept the power on exacerbating the situation.
    Certainly the judgement is in line with previous incidents of a similar nature, including those where a driver loses control and crashes into another car on re-joining the track.
    As a racing spectacle though I didn't like it. Drivers winning on penalties doesn't sit well on anyone.
    The question still remains, would Hamilton have tried harder if the Mercedes team hadn't expressly told him to hang back?
     
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    Even so as an MB fan I did not like to win the way we did, and 5 secs was way too long a punishment on Vettel, 2 would have been enough and left us with a real race to the finish
     
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    After the announcement Lewis asked his team for full power and reduced the gap at one point to 0.6 seconds, think he wanted to overtake but was later told to back off..

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    Vettel was steering to the left but the car was suffering from understeer so continued to move to the right and into Hamiltons path, watch the in car camera footage.
     
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    So any driver that leaves the track for whatever reason should be penalised? That's not how it works.
     
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    It's nothing to do with how you leave the track, it's how you rejoin that matters.
     
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    Here is the definitive statement of the rules:
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    Vettel clearly left the track so was adjudged to not have rejoined safely. 14576564-7121911-image-a-40_1560115229294.jpg If you recall Japan 2018 Max Verstappen was awarded a similar penalty and was far less off the track than Vettel.
     
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    I agree up to the point where he gives the wheel a quick jink to the right and in doing so moving his car even more into Hamilton’s path when, if he had just kept going straight, his car would have not impeded Hamilton at all. Mind Hamilton would have gotten past as Vettel would have lost even more momentum.


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    That's what I meant.
     
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    Exactly. And he rejoined in an unsafe manner, hence the penalty.
     
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    Vettel rejoined the track on the racing line whether he had lost some control of the car or not, this caused Hamilton to back off or he would have been forced into the wall and consequently Vettel was penalised. Vettel might have not been penalised in one of the lower formula races but not under F1 scrutiny nowadays
     
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    I wonder if 2019 will be the last season we see Vettel?
     
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    Vettel was being pressured by Hamilton as a consequence he pushed his car beyond its limit of grip and left the track.

    Hamilton kept to the racing line and was in a position to pass Vettel but had to brake when Vettel came back onto track squeezing him against the wall.

    I cannot see that there was much Vettel could have done in the circumstances but the fact remains it was his error and Hamilton did nothing wrong therefore I think the stewards made the right decision.

    Mind you had Hamilton have passed it would have been a possibly very exciting end to the race.

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    It was a bad decision by the Stewards. It is ruining F1. They need to be consistent with the rules.
    As pointed out above, it has happened before and a clear case of
     

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    Yep - the Law's the Law.

    Lewis did'nt put a foot wrong all race long.
    And if Seb hadn't chosen to 'take a shortcut' we wouldn't be having this chat.
    Added a bit of spice to a boring race, tho!
     
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    Must admit I never saw Lewis lock up once, probably several times :D
     
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    Hardest race he has ever had, best fans in the world, we win together, we loose together, can't believe he was on the wrong tyres, had to fight to keep the car on the road
     
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