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sonic

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The early Honda ABS versions have an evil reputation for just letting the lever go back to the bar.
Expensive to fix and Honda denied it was a systemic fault.
Fixed now, even very good now, but a lot of people really don't trust it to this day.
Which bikes was this on, my own first ABS Honda was a 2006 CBR1000, never had any problems or heard of any.
Rode police Pan 13's, VFR 800's, Blackbirds, Fireblads, & Varadero's, again no problems.
 

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Which bikes was this on, my own first ABS Honda was a 2006 CBR1000, never had any problems or heard of any.
Rode police Pan 13's, VFR 800's, Blackbirds, Fireblads, & Varadero's, again no problems.
I've never had it either although my ABS light is blinking atm but it's due a service...
It was the C-ABS version, I don't know the dates. One theory was that the front smart servo was right in under the engine and radiator and got cooked under stop start 'in town' conditions. It generates a lot of chatter in forums but it is hard to sort anecdote from data.
Personally I like ABS.
 

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lots of plod died on the pani 1100's, they were withdrawn and most had the frame cut in half... overloaded panniers, at least two lost in on the a3 at Guildford
 

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ABS is prone to failure car or bikes (its ONLY mercedes where they must spec a lower failure rate for the modules they buy in). its all pre-built designed in failure by motor manufacturers all done intentionally,

just check out the repair sites, they all remove the deliberate faults and offer a life time warranty....
and you can't these days say jap stuff is better, its becoming just a bad and they get the ABS modules mostly come the same suppliers.

As I said before... the early BMW ABS on bike was a nasty mess, I'm not even sure it was built dodgy, it was more a mad idea from some nut job development rider with no brain that made it try to do stuff no one would want or need and thus overly complex
 

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lots of plod died on the pani 1100's, they were withdrawn and most had the frame cut in half... overloaded panniers, at least two lost in on the a3 at Guildford
No not the case I was still riding police bikes then, the issue was on the Pan13 never happened on the Pan 11. Its a long complicated story but basically you needed 3 ingredients. Electric screen fully up, long sweeping left hand bend, with an artic in lane 1, weight never played a part in it.
We were restricted to 70MPH while the enquiry was on going. Our bikes were converted back to standard Pan 13, replacement front & rear forks & sold at auction.
I had it happen once & I was able to accelerate out of it. The GMP fatal was a guy on an advanced course playing catch up with the rest of the course, I have no knowledge of the Gildford incidents.
Another issue was they cancelled the intermediate bike course, riders went from standard to advanced. A lot of these guys had minimal bike experience or had only ridded sports bikes, a completely different world.
 

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I've never had it either although my ABS light is blinking atm but it's due a service...
It was the C-ABS version, I don't know the dates. One theory was that the front smart servo was right in under the engine and radiator and got cooked under stop start 'in town' conditions. It generates a lot of chatter in forums but it is hard to sort anecdote from data.
Personally I like ABS.
Since moving to ABS I have never had it cut in. You realise just how much harder you can break without the front wheel falling away.
 

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Since moving to ABS I have never had it cut in. You realise just how much harder you can break without the front wheel falling away.
I’ve had it kick in once in France, on a small country road with dust and gravel that I hadn’t noticed.
With good tyres and a decent surface a bike can brake really hard. I can stand my CBR on its nose with the rear wheel off the ground without it braking traction. It’s good to know how much reserve you have, I don’t ride needing to do that as a norm…
 

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mine operates every ride as I come out of my driveway slowly,

I have to brake to see if its clear and the rear triggers every single time as the bike falls off the edge of a 1" high silly rumble strip
I had the front trigger just last week, as the front slipped on gravel from a pot hole slowing carefully for a junction, it wouldn't usually, so I was a bit surprised.

The rear massages your foot every ride, if you press on and try to use rear brake round town to stabilise things as u chop and change throwing it about. I was always puzzled about it, when chatting with a very senior guy at work, he said well you've got linked brakes, the front linking will be nearly on the rear tyres limit, so of course it will. I was impressed he knew what he was talking about.

Now I use it when I want and let the ABS sort any silly mess at the back (and usually the rear pedal is just going mental). Its works a treat, but the front never triggers even on 11/10ths riding unless something like hitting a massive collapse of the road and debris is everywhere.

on both VFR 1200s I've ridden, they trigger the front ABS under what I can feel is less than 40% of front tyre grip. Its a total joke and the only reason there hasn't been one sat in my garage over the last 10 years. I then rode a cross torurer or whatever the 1200 one is and that bike's TC cuts in all day long even when maxed out.... odd such things don't happen on a BMW going and braking twice as much.... FYI I'm a Honda fan boy, but they have lost the plot
 
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mine operates every ride as I come out of my driveway slowly,

I have to brake to see if its clear and the rear triggers every single time as the bike falls off the edge of a 1" high silly rumble strip
I had the front trigger just last week, as the front slipped on gravel from a pot hole slowing carefully for a junction, it wouldn't usually, so I was a bit surprised.

The rear massages your foot every ride, if you press on and try to use rear brake round town to stabilise things as u chop and change throwing it about. I was always puzzled about it, when chatting with a very senior guy at work, he said well you've got linked brakes, the front linking will be nearly on the rear tyres limit, so of course it will. I was impressed he knew what he was talking about.

Now I use it when I want and let the ABS sort any silly mess at the back (and usually the rear pedal is just going mental). Its works a treat, but the front never triggers even on 11/10ths riding unless something like hitting a massive collapse of the road and debris is everywhere.

on both VFR 1200s I've ridden, they trigger the front ABS under what I can feel is less than 40% of front tyre grip. Its a total joke and the only reason there hasn't been one sat in my garage over the last 10 years. I then rode a cross torurer or whatever the 1200 one is and that bike's TC cuts in all day long even when maxed out.... odd such things don't happen on a BMW going and braking twice as much.... FYI I'm a Honda fan boy, but they have lost the plot
Never had a problem with any Honda ABS, as I mentioned before it’s never cut in Whilst riding.
I am out with a guy on a VFR1200 today, I will check with him.
 

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I have no knowledge of the Guildford incidents.
… what you say rings lots of bells, I thought 6 plod bikers came off on the left hand bend of the A30 going west.... (with two dying - and I though it was the earlier bikes), and not in one incident. Although I don't think it was 6 separate ones and thought it was training events when they did it.

30 years back, used to see lots of Hemel plod racing between Watford and Amersham. Funny how they are allowed to play, but the public need locking up ?


search engines don't seem to find much - Surrey police, haven't had much success on bikes, maybe my brother was just counting 6 bike deaths?

PC Norman Croxton
Died 7 February 1940, aged 25
Fatally injured while on motorcycle patrol in a collision with a car.

PC William Wood
Died 19 December 1966, aged 27
Killed in a road accident when hit by a car while on motorcycle patrol.

PC Philip Morgan
Died 25 October 1969, aged 24
Fatally injured in a road accident while on motorcycle traffic patrol.

PC Christopher Denis Cooper
Died 17 April 1992, aged 31
Fatally injured in a motorcycle crash responding to an emergency.

PC Roger John Franklin
Died 6 August 1995, aged 36
Killed in motorcycle accident responding to an emergency call.

PC Nigel Paul Skinner
Died 1 March 2002, aged 48
Killed in a motorcycle accident on his way home from work.

PC Stanley Raymond Jones
Died 15 September 2005, aged 39
Died of injuries received in 2004 in a road accident while reporting for duty.
 
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… what you say rings lots of bells, I thought 6 plod bikers came off on the left hand bend of the A30 going west.... (with two dying - and I though it was the earlier bikes), and not in one incident. Although I don't think it was 6 separate ones and thought it was training events when they did it.

30 years back, used to see lots of Hemel plod racing between Watford and Amersham. Funny how they are allowed to play, but the public need locking up ?


search engines don't seem to find much - Surrey police, haven't had much success on bikes, maybe my brother was just counting 6 bike deaths?

PC Norman Croxton
Died 7 February 1940, aged 25
Fatally injured while on motorcycle patrol in a collision with a car.

PC William Wood
Died 19 December 1966, aged 27
Killed in a road accident when hit by a car while on motorcycle patrol.

PC Philip Morgan
Died 25 October 1969, aged 24
Fatally injured in a road accident while on motorcycle traffic patrol.

PC Christopher Denis Cooper
Died 17 April 1992, aged 31
Fatally injured in a motorcycle crash responding to an emergency.

PC Roger John Franklin
Died 6 August 1995, aged 36
Killed in motorcycle accident responding to an emergency call.

PC Nigel Paul Skinner
Died 1 March 2002, aged 48
Killed in a motorcycle accident on his way home from work.

PC Stanley Raymond Jones
Died 15 September 2005, aged 39
Died of injuries received in 2004 in a road accident while reporting for duty.
Have a look at this link, the numbers killed on motorcycles is frightening. Under police regulations driving to work or returning home from work is classed as on duty.
My force Staffs lost two instructors on bikes in 1976, fortunately no more since. You have to train at advanced speeds so when the time comes for real you are up to speed.
 


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