C220 CDi Estate 2012 Manual Juddering

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Engine and gearbox mounts checked and all good.
As i do not tow there isnt really an issue with overheating due to load.
Quality aftermarket parts were fitted and a genuine MB release bearing (due to no aftermarket listed).
DMF was changed drive plate, cover and brg are all 9 months old approx 9000 miles.
If it was driving style it would have juddered from day 1 and i am the only one who drives the car.
Very disappointed in the overall quality of the car
 

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If you're disappointed because if rhe juddering I do feel you're being unreasonable to blame MB for aftermarket parts (quality or otherwise) as MB have no control on anything they don't source.
If you're disappointed in other areas then fair enough and maybe an MB is not for you as it sounds like your expectations and experiences haven't aligned.
 
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The original clutch juddered that was a MB part now i dont think being disappointed is unreasonable at not even 50 k let alone 9k on an after market part.
I really am after advice on the problem alrhough a little disappointed on the parts and build quality of my c class
 

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The original clutch juddered that was a MB part now i dont think being disappointed is unreasonable at not even 50 k let alone 9k on an after market part.
I really am after advice on the problem alrhough a little disappointed on the parts and build quality of my c class
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I know a lot of people swear by MB manuals and have little or no bother even at big mileages and accept that. However, in general, the testers in the Mags that I read don't rate MB Manuals. I had an SLK Manual as a loan car once and was glad to get back to my auto as the clutch was heavy and the gears clunky and baulky. If I were you, I'd trade it for an auto.

Ernie
 

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Hi,

I have a 2011 W204 C220 CDI with a manual gearbox -- we are all coming out of the closet now !!

I have a judder in the clutch which was only noticeable when the car was hot.
I recently replaced the gearbox mount and the judder is gone.

I looked at the one I took off and it all looked fine to the eye but the car definitely feels tighter now.
I couldn't twist the old mount by hand but then I don't have the strength of 170 horses in my wrist !!

It is an easy DIY provided you can get the car high enough to get underneath - I had mine on concrete blocks / sleepers and I could squeeze under -- but then I'm a skinny little thing (if only)!!?

You need a jack to hold the gearbox up to remove the old one and fit the new.

Be careful when buying a replacement mount. Because there are so few manuals around, it was hard to find the correct one. I initially bought the wrong one but only found out when I went to fit it.
Here is a picture of the one that fitted my car. The bar through the middle of the mount bolts to the gearbox and the holes bolt onto bracket that is on the chassis. On my car the bracket has 3 bolts - 1 on one side and 2 on the other so this mount is fine (the middle hole is not used).
The one I originally bought that did not fit, only had 2 bolt holes -- one on each side.
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By the way, I also changed the oil in the gearbox. That improved the gear change.

I agree that the Merc gearbox isn't the best one I have ever used but it isn't bad either. I do like the control it gives the driver especially in engine stop/start operation.

It is another easy DIY.
There isn't a service schedule for it but the car is almost 7 years old with over 60K miles so it is no harm to do it.
 

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Another 'by the way' -- Is this not in the wrong Forum?
I would have thought it should be in the Technical / Engine, Drivetrain section.

I only happened on it by fluke in this section.
 
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Thing is after the clutch was replaced it was fine but now after 9k the judder is slowly coming back
 

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What brand of clutch and dual mass flywheel were fitted as replacements? Do you use the stop/start feature a lot?
 
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Tbh i'm not sure although the garage owner is a friend and i did tell him not to use cheap and nasty parts.
I always turn stop start off.
Gearbox mount has been mentioned in prev post but why was there no judder when new clutch etc was fitted ? On occasion i can smell clutch / brakes when i get out of vehicle.
 

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Tbh i'm not sure although the garage owner is a friend and i did tell him not to use cheap and nasty parts.

On occasion i can smell clutch / brakes when i get out of vehicle.

Hmm, we're completely in the dark then. Sounds like it'll be coming apart again, but you might as well wait until it's unbearable.
 
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Looka like a change of car my previous was a Mondeo 130k driven by me 150+ total never a problem. Beought this c220 and trouble trouble trouble
 

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I have a 2012 w204 c220 cdi ‘manual’ too
Had it since January, done 7k miles. The car has now done 83k, and I do get an occasional clutch judder, but can’t really pinpoint it to any particular circumstance that would cause it. It just happens once every now and then, then goes. I just adjust my driving if it does it, try not to slip the clutch when pulling away, get the clutch fully engaged as quickly as possible...
On my last service though, I did have an advisory for gearbox and engine mounts wearing.. I do know the gearbox mount is a weak point on the w204.
A friend at work has a 2011 c250 cdi manual, which is on 180k miles and still on original clutch. He has no judder problems...
As for the auto vs manual debate, it has to be down to personal preference. I have always owned manuals, and this is my first MB. I really wasn’t bothered what transmission it had. That said, however, I do agree with what someone said earlier in this thread. The clutch is heavy and the gear change is quite notchy compared to other cars I’ve had, and I’ve owned some right sheds in the past lol.. I think in hindsight I would’ve preferred an auto MB. Maybe it’s an age thing and I’m getting lazy...
From the other point of view though, if I wanted something sporty, I probably would opt for a manual..

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Just to resurrect this thread, I paid a visit to MBS yesterday and had new engine and gearbox mounts fitted. My god, the difference is unbelievable. I really didn’t expect such an improvement. Car is much smoother, less engine noise, and the clutch judder has disappeared well happy

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Hi,

I have a 2011 W204 C220 CDI with a manual gearbox -- we are all coming out of the closet now !!

I have a judder in the clutch which was only noticeable when the car was hot.
I recently replaced the gearbox mount and the judder is gone.

I looked at the one I took off and it all looked fine to the eye but the car definitely feels tighter now.
I couldn't twist the old mount by hand but then I don't have the strength of 170 horses in my wrist !!

It is an easy DIY provided you can get the car high enough to get underneath - I had mine on concrete blocks / sleepers and I could squeeze under -- but then I'm a skinny little thing (if only)!!?

You need a jack to hold the gearbox up to remove the old one and fit the new.

Be careful when buying a replacement mount. Because there are so few manuals around, it was hard to find the correct one. I initially bought the wrong one but only found out when I went to fit it.
Here is a picture of the one that fitted my car. The bar through the middle of the mount bolts to the gearbox and the holes bolt onto bracket that is on the chassis. On my car the bracket has 3 bolts - 1 on one side and 2 on the other so this mount is fine (the middle hole is not used).
The one I originally bought that did not fit, only had 2 bolt holes -- one on each side.
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I don't suppose you have the part number for that do you, please??
Have an identical issue and would definitely try changing this first.
 

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Hi,

The part that fitted my car was:-

014 024 1054 MEYLE Transmission mount fit MERCEDES

I can't say that all manual W204s are the same though. Looking up that part number it says that it doesn't fit the W204 ??
I might be worth having a look at your existing gearbox mount to check the number of bolt holes.

I do still get the odd judder so it hasn't gone away completely but I can't pinpoint a situation when/why it happens.
Maybe the engine mounts need to be changed too or else the DMF is starting to fail.

It isn't bad enough to warrant further work though.
 
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Gbox mount has been changed already,
Still judders garage that carried out clutch exchange have said nothing wrong with the car but i think there is. Looks like getting rid by far the most expensive car ive had and by far the worst.
 

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Gbox mount has been changed already,
Still judders garage that carried out clutch exchange have said nothing wrong with the car but i think there is. Looks like getting rid by far the most expensive car ive had and by far the worst.
Have you tried using a garage that actually knows Mercedes?

I have an S Class Coupe. Beautiful car. A pump failed not long after I bought it, so I bought a replacement pump on eBay and took the car to my highly trusted local garage. Been using him with the family cars for years, Mum's & Dad's cars go there, my brother and his mrs, mine, we've been using him for 25 years. Great, utterly reliable, and a VAG authorised rework centre.

He f***ed it up. Bigtime. The pump destroyed itself. Hmm, must be a warranty failure. Tried again, same thing a few months later.

Then I took the car to an MB Indy who has looked after it ever since. No problem, pump changed, works fine, still works fine 2 years later.

First things first. DON'T BLAME THE OEM. That car is designed to do 650,000km without engine rebuild. Secondly, manual DMF transmissions have a shorter life than older styles of transmission. Not that much really, BUT they are somewhat more prone to warranty claims than non-DMF systems. Thirdly, you have no idea what parts were fitted to your car. Find out. If they weren't OEM MB, then they were the wrong parts. Find an MB Indy local to you, they will charge likely the same hourly rate as your friend, and they will use only MB parts.
 
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MB Indy insisted it was the throttle pedal which was changed but alas it wasn't a cure.
A Sachs drive plate and cover was fitted along with a MB release brg which did cure it for 6 or 7 months maybe 6 or 7k but then judder returned.

Not being unreasonable but with this seemingly uncurable problen a misfire has now developed at low revs and tick over so needless to say i'm not impressed !
 

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I also had this problem on my w204 c180 of 2011 with now almost 160k miles.
It is much worse when I transport 4 persons in the car, and can be avoided depending on how the clutch is used. It also comes in an intermittent way, especially after long session of stop and go (like in a traffic jam). I believe some surface becomes hot or polished, causing the problem until the surface goes back to normal.
A clutch replacement doesn't seems to be the solution, as the clutch never slips otherwise
 

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