C220 diesel would like to Fit a TURBO

[Kevinmr2]

Hello i have a c220 Diesel non turbo 1997 model.The car is a bit slow and there seem to be no good performance upgrades.i would really like to know if its straightforward easy installation to fit a turbo to this engine.will any light come up?ecu faults?i think if i install a small turbo and give it just 7psi of boost engie should have no problems altough i dont know how i will trow more diesel in to make it more efficient cause of the turbo.i think i have the Lucas pump and these pumps seems to be very delicate.any help please???

 

[jberks]

I can't say that I know for certain, but given the way that the ECU controls everything, I imagine it's a lot more complex than simply bolting on a turbo. There will be wiring for the turbo sensors, vacuum controllers for the wastegate and a load of other stuff. Injectors could be different as will be the ECU map itself I'd imagine. Major engine components may also be different as they are often strengthened to cope with the boost. Add in all the pipework that a turbo needs, the new exhaust setup etc and it's far from a simple 'bolt on' task. The most innocent difference could be a nightmare to get around. Also, the 220 turbo is a 'CDI', whereas yours isnt.

By the time you've sorted out all that, and convinced your insurance co that they still want to cover it as a modded car (which normally gets them running to the hills, leaving you with expensive specialists only) , it would probably be simpler and cheaper to just job it in for an early 220cdi or a 250 turbo which is a LOT quicker.

 

[c250 turbo diesel]

Answer

Try TB TURBOS Lancaster, they have a website and are the best, not cheap !

 

[pgilc1]

As above, i think you'd be best changing your car to the model you want. The motor trade are always very wary of anything modified and probably would only value your car as a standard 220 (or worse), thus if you ever sold it you would be losing the full cost of the upgrade.

 

[blassberg]

http://www.angeltuning.co.uk/pdfs/engine/Mercedes.pdf

contact me by email if you are interested. Possible £100 discount.

I not a representative for them but a potential customer

 

[pgilc1]

http://www.angeltuning.co.uk/pdfs/engine/Mercedes.pdf

contact me by email if you are interested. Possible £100 discount.

I not a representative for them but a potential customer

Do Angel tuning not only remap turbodiesels etc? (or at least have most success with turbodiesels?), plus that list doesn't include the OP's car - only the already turbocharged 220 CDI model...

 

[panason1c]

Hello i have a c220 Diesel non turbo 1997 model.The car is a bit slow and there seem to be no good performance upgrades.i would really like to know if its straightforward easy installation to fit a turbo to this engine.will any light come up?ecu faults?i think if i install a small turbo and give it just 7psi of boost engie should have no problems altough i dont know how i will trow more diesel in to make it more efficient cause of the turbo.i think i have the Lucas pump and these pumps seems to be very delicate.any help please???

I would think that the fact that yours is not a CDI makes the addition of a turbo a fairly straightforward job (Using an aftermarket turbo fitment specialist of course) ..The newer CDI's use a lot of electronics to control and monitor the turbo (variable vane turbo for example) and i would think that adding a turbo to one of these would definately not be a viable proposition.....whereby your much less complex C220 could be fitted with a simple, low pressure fixed vane turbo which would incorporate a mechanical wastegate, the specialist would be able to adjust the injection fueling to suit........I wouldnt think that any other engine modifications would be required such as a higher capacity cooling system, injectors or upgraded con-rods, etc if all you are looking for is a small but significant power gain.

 

[jberks]

The bottom line is that IMO to install a turbo properly (and not set fire to the engine bay or melt the wiring) would cost around £2,000 allowing for the fact that as it's a rare conversion and all parts would need to be new. Given that this is around the value of your car and less than that (+ your car) would put you in a newer 220cdi or 250 turbo - I can't see the point.

 

[television]

I cant see the point either owing to the value of the car, if you are doing just for fun that's something else.

Malcolm

 

[blassberg]

Do Angel tuning not only remap turbodiesels etc? (or at least have most success with turbodiesels?), plus that list doesn't include the OP's car - only the already turbocharged 220 CDI model...

ah - I should read the small print...

 

[Kevinmr2]

Hi again and thanks for all your replies.you are very helpfull.May i remind you that im from MALTA Europe and in my country cars are very very expensive.I bought this mercedes for Lm10,500 MALTESES LIRI and thats GBP16,539.63 so actuall the conversion is worth almost nothing compared to the value of the car here.Now maltese ppl are importing lots of W202 C180 from Uk and thay are selling for 11,000GBP here.Registration and Tax is very expensive here.if it wasnt so i would have bought a C43 W202.But since i have this sluggish model in my hands i would like to make it the best possible to at least entertain me a bit while driving it.Before this car i had a Toyota Mr2 and a Honda Integra Type r.bith fast cars so now this one feels really slow i think that the job of fitting a turbo to my c220 is a straight forward job as mine is not a cdi and has much less electronics.but im not sure so thats why im asking for help.if i fabrikate a new manifold and use a t3 turbo with mechanical wastegate i should have no problems running about 7psi of boost as diesel engines are quite strong afterall.No detonation which such little psi.i tought someone had done this before but i think i will be the 1st one.The other option is that i might come to UK or go to Germany and buy a complete c32 or c43 motor with harness and fit that one in my car.

 

[c250 turbo diesel]

Your problem solved

Hi again boss, forget botling on the Turbo ! my 1997 c250 td warrented 105.000 miles delivered Malta £11000 eleven thousand pounds gb ! bank transfer ok !!! keep smiling !

 

[Kevinmr2]

If it was that easy i would already have done that my friend Registration alone only on a car of 2500cc will cost more than the 11,000GBP plus the value of the car. thats sad eh? Here are some pics of my car.

 

[c250 turbo diesel]

Glad you saw the joke ! hope blair and his mob don't read your post, they would like to do that to us, and then tell us it's a green tax !

Good luck with the turbo.........

 

[jberks]

If it was that easy i would already have done that my friend Registration alone only on a car of 2500cc will cost more than the 11,000GBP plus the value of the car. thats sad eh?.

Ouch - now I understand!
However, looking at, for example http://groups.google.co.uk/group/al...41b9007753e/258eed0d2b364489#258eed0d2b364489
I'd tread very carefully. You may well need an intercooler, the fuel delivery may need to be enhanced on boost or it may not cope with the extra air volume etc, etc. Perhaps start with an induction kit and a performace exhaust system?
How do the tax authorities feel about just replacing the engine with a 250td? or if it's cc based, a 220cdi?

 

[Kevinmr2]

If i find a good 250TD engine i would have no problem to swap it with mine regarding authorities.can i do that?will me gearbox fit that engine?and will i have to change harness too or just the ecu?

 

[Kevinmr2]

does anyone know please if i can just swap the engine with a c250td?will my c220d gbox fit that engine?harness ok?

 

[television]

All of the harness bits you could get from the donor car or MB,also the ECU,the engine mounts are the same,and the gearbox must fit.
If you came over here to pick it up and saw the car that the engine came from,you could take the ECU holder and that part of the wiring harness as it has no value. to check all the other fittings check here. copy the drawings from your car and a turbo car, then you will see what is needed.

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb0.asp?TP=1



Malcolm

 

[Kevinmr2]

Thanks Malcolm.as i can see from the diagram harness should alomst be the same except for the diff ECU but that should be np cause i will buy one with the engine.The only doubt i have is regarding the Gearbox.Mine is the 4cylinder 220d and the other is a 5 cylinder so the engine block might be a bit different

 

[television]

Thanks Malcolm.as i can see from the diagram harness should alomst be the same except for the diff ECU but that should be np cause i will buy one with the engine.The only doubt i have is regarding the Gearbox.Mine is the 4cylinder 220d and the other is a 5 cylinder so the engine block might be a bit different

I think that you will find that they are all the same. Let me know what engine you are going to use, and I can tell you if it was used with the 4 speed box

Malcolm