Car swap advice

[MERC210]

HI ALL
I HAVE A 2.6 V6 E CLASS ESTATE 2002 57K AND HAVE BEEN OFFERED A 2001 3.2 CDI SLN 67K ,WHICH IS THE BETTER CAR AND WHY A FEW IDEAS WOULD BE GREAT ,AND WOULD YOU THINK THEY ARE THE SAME VALUE ,ALL COMENTS WOULD BE A HELP ON MY DECISION
THANK ALl FOR YOUR HELP

 

[ALFIEBEARD]

Diesel versus Petrol

Hi Ali,
Although they are both very nice cars I would be inclined to say the 320 CDI would be the better seller, as for it being a better car I dont really know, the 320 CDI s are very quick and are very economical my mate gets 35 to 42mpg consistantly with his 320 CDI and its been pretty bulletproof, also as they are both 210s the only real difference is the running gear. I would imagine the book value to be around the same as the diesel one is a year older but more saleable.
hope this helps
Alfie B

 

[television]

Yes as Alfie and others the 320 is a nice lump and very fast, as they are 211 you do need to know if it has the Behr rad, and what about the extra's, they do not alter the value by much, but are very good selling points if a lot of things

 

[roofless]

it looks like a good deal but i would check for outstanding finance ect

 

[discoking]

HI ALL
I HAVE A 2.6 V6 E CLASS ESTATE 2002 57K AND HAVE BEEN OFFERED A 2001 3.2 CDI SLN 67K ,WHICH IS THE BETTER CAR AND WHY A FEW IDEAS WOULD BE GREAT ,AND WOULD YOU THINK THEY ARE THE SAME VALUE ,ALL COMENTS WOULD BE A HELP ON MY DECISION
THANK ALl FOR YOUR HELP

Just using base models as a guide the 320cdi is worth considerably more circa £1500+ than you car.

1st thing you need to know is why is he wanting to swap? Do you know him,trust him?

I've been in this game a long time and swap deals always raise eyebrows when people are swapping a more expensive/desirable car.

From my experiance diesels,modern diesels,have a lot more go wrong and cost a lot more to fix...so be wary.

 

[duncanh]

Watch out for rust

As they are probably both W210s (the newer one may be a W211), famed for their ability to rust, surely the newer one is the better bet. The older it is, the more likely that the dreaded rustbug has been chewing away underneath, front crossmember, spring perches etc - all things that are difficult to spot on a quick inspection (especially with all the plastic hiding the evidence).

Plus the fact that I love estates, so much more versatile. Five of my last six cars have been estates, I would not go back to a saloor now.

Estates also hold their value better.

The advantages of the diesel are really only apparent if you do a high mileage, which I guess you don't as your car has done only 57K miles.

It all depends what you want to use the cars for, how long you want to keep them, have they full MB service history (to get the rust fixed), etc. Also is there a cost in swapping, or is it a straight swap?

I think we need more info to make an informed decision.

 

[jberks]

Economy wise there isn't much between the E240 and the E320cdi - 33mpg on the 240 to maybe 27 on the 320 but factor in the fuel price difference and the 240 is possibly a fraction cheaper to run.
The estate vs saloon argument always comes down to the estate being worth more (is this why they want it?) E class estates always hold their value.
The 320 is a lot quicker and comparatively effortless at Mway speeds but again, whether you care remains to be seen.
As they are late 210's you need to compare rust between them. If your 240 is clean, is the 320?
Mileage wise - nothing in it.

Value wise, they're close.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

Economy wise there isn't much between the E240 and the E320cdi - 33mpg on the 240 to maybe 27 on the 320 but factor in the fuel price difference and the 240 is possibly a fraction cheaper to run.

I think your assessment of the fuel consumptions is a bit optimistic for the 240, and a bit harsh on the diesel.

I have run 320 diesels for the past 51/2 years and have yet to get less than 35 mpg on a tank. My E 320 CDI saloon averaged 39 over 43,000 miles, and the S 320 CDI averages 36.7 overall. I would back the diesel to outperform the petrol car on mpg, and by more than enough to offset any difference in fuel price.

The diesel should, all else being equal, have better residual value.

 

[GCLTuning]

We have never seen a Standard 320 with less than 33 mpg you can get 40+ from a standard ..... But you could be getting 45 -50 + if remapped (45-50 MPG + 45BHP and a whopping 120 NM of torque)


The diesel would eat the petrol alive (285 NM Of torque and 265 BHP and still better MPG)

Regards Gary @ GCL Tuning

 

[Alex M Grieve]

We have never seen a Standard 320 with less than 33 mpg you can get 40+ from a standard ..... But you could be getting 45 -50 + if remapped (45-50 MPG + 45BHP and a whopping 120 NM of torque)


The diesel would eat the petrol alive (285 NM Of torque and 265 BHP and still better MPG)

Regards Gary @ GCL Tuning

Would that be 582NM torque for the mapped CDI? It should have about 370lbs/ft to start with.

 

[GCLTuning]

sorry , Yes that is in a upgraded state ...


Regards

 

[100%Bitch]

Better the devil you know.

 

[GCLTuning]

Better the devil ..... ?


Regards Gary @ GCL

 

[jberks]

I think your assessment of the fuel consumptions is a bit optimistic for the 240, and a bit harsh on the diesel.

I have run 320 diesels for the past 51/2 years and have yet to get less than 35 mpg on a tank. My E 320 CDI saloon averaged 39 over 43,000 miles, and the S 320 CDI averages 36.7 overall. I would back the diesel to outperform the petrol car on mpg, and by more than enough to offset any difference in fuel price.

The diesel should, all else being equal, have better residual value.

Quite right - typo - meant 37 for the 320 not 27.

 

[st4]

Would that be 582NM torque for the mapped CDI? It should have about 370lbs/ft to start with.

Nah, not as much, nearer 300lbs/ft. The V6 CDi isn't even 370lbs/ft

 

[Alex M Grieve]

Nah, not as much, nearer 300lbs/ft. The V6 CDi isn't even 370lbs/ft

This is the 320CDI IL6 we are talking about. I demand a recount.

194 bhp and 347 lbs/ft in standard form. Bear in mind I was trying to spare the blushes of a post which seemed to be adding Newton Metres to lbs /Ft! What he reported was "285" - I suspect he transposed the digits and meant to say 582 Nm (or 429 lbs/ft). That represents an increase of 82 ft/lbs (111 NM) - IIRC he claimed an increase of 120NM, so we are nearly there.

 

[MERC210]

Re swap advice

Thank you all i think on looking at your coments i will keep the 2.6 240 estate ,or may sell it and go for a 2004/2005 320 estate diesel and pay the balance as i diod drive the 320 and it was like a bat out of hell
so thanks again ,if any members have a 320 2004/5 who are looking to go back to petrol and looking for a low miles 204 est give me a call 07974 088812 cheers

 

[Alex M Grieve]

Nah, not as much, nearer 300lbs/ft. The V6 CDi isn't even 370lbs/ft

Hi again,

there is also some data from a post by jberks which casts light on this:

"There is no such thing as a 'Kleeman' E class. Its just the make of the tuning box that someone has plugged in. (Google Kleeman tuning box). Kleeman are a reputable firm so the box should be one of the better ones.
Performance figures are
Standard KD-BOX
Power Hp Torque Nm (lb-ft) Power Hp Torque Nm (lb-ft)
320 CDI 197/204 470/500 (348/370) 240/250 600/625 (444/463)
320 CDI V6 224 510 (378) 270 610 (452)

So on a 320 you're looking at very useful increase of 40 ish BHP and around 100lbft torque. Should be very noticable though the insurance cost will probably creep up a bit".

 

[GCLTuning]

The better ones ?

They will all work in the same way ie Falsifying Values and confusing the ecu ...

A Tuning box has no set limits you plug in and it will give a false signal such as requesting boost levels and modifying the output signal to what "it" thinks is correct by no means are these limited to what they can do ...


Where as a remap will be a redeveloped programme with set limits so rewriting the rules as opposed to overriding the rules . Also with a tuning box you will never have the same out puts as a remap or for that matter the choice in what it chooses to alter ie

boost
timimg
fuel pressure
fuel mix

A tuning box will only modify some of these tables within the map therefore not making the real potential and in most cases a safe potential .

With a remap you have the choice in what you would like to alter and how it is altered the most common being the aggressiveness of the map ie slaming you back in the seat or gently pushing you back in the seat .. the choice is yours !



Kind Regards Gary @ GCL Tuning

 

[television]

Better the devil you know.

Does this apply to wife swapping as well