CAR TAX. The dreaded

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They are offering £5grand if you change your car for a second generation electric car which will be available from 2011 ?
Which coincidentally enough is when the hybrid Land Rover will be available.....Anyone would think it was planned
 

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Which coincidentally enough is when the hybrid Land Rover will be available.....Anyone would think it was planned

Is that the one WE are currently paying for them to develop? ;)
 

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I have a feeling that in years to come, we will look back in fond memory on the days when we could drive where we want, when we want, and in what we want :(
 
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you think they'll let you keep your memories ???
 

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They'll find a way to monetarise them......then sell them back.
 

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Car Tax sucks!!!

Why should I pay X hundred pounds for each car I own for the privilege of driving one at a time on the highway?

If I drive 5000 a year in my car or 25,000 I pay enough tax in fuel duty for the usage on the road. IMHO Scrap the Road Fund Licence and add 1p to fuel at the pump. Display the MOT/Insurance in the car rather than the Car Tax and enforce the purchase laws so that I can only purchase a car when I prove I have insurance. ANPR and the like can be used at petrol filling stations to bar those that are uninsured (unless proof is provided of a trade insurance policy) or drive off without paying for their fuel and then the offenders should be prosecuted and locked up.

WRT up to £5000 off a new car if I scrap my old one, WHY? The carbon footprint is huge to manufacture the car, fuel has to be put in it in order to drive it (small in proportion to the building of the car), I may be unable/unwilling to have finance/loans to purchase the new car and working with certifying computer systems means I am nervous of all the CAN/STAR integration on automobiles when I feel that they have not covered all aspects of safety cases.

The latest Mondano has around 57 computers in it and what happens if you fit a towbar to the early ones? Adding a trailer/caravan and the reversing sensors scream at you because they forgot that case in development (as I understand it).

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I think the goverment are missing the big picture, making car tax high on a car means that you need to drive it more to get full value so the message is 'go for the car with high road tax and drive it as much as you can'...seems like a good plan.
 

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:confused:you would think the man with a car valued at 5k would be the one who would trade up not the man with a £300 car so will this offer tempt him to buy new or put off the guy with the 5k car or is it still worth 5k :confused: or will he keep it as it can't drop any value but then if the guy with the £300 buys a new kia for 7k will he only 2k then have a car worth 2k used :lol::confused::(
 

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IMHO Scrap the Road Fund Licence and add 1p to fuel at the pump. Display the MOT/Insurance in the car rather than the Car Tax and enforce the purchase laws so that I can only purchase a car when I prove I have insurance. ANPR and the like can be used at petrol filling stations to bar those that are uninsured (unless proof is provided of a trade insurance policy) or drive off without paying for their fuel and then the offenders should be prosecuted and locked up.

Couldn't agree more. If you channel all the fixed costs (tax, MOT, insurance, etc) through fuel costs, the cost per mile would become very relevant. Low mileage motorists would benefit (but might decide to give up altogether). Higher mileage motorists would become conscious both of total mileage and mpg.

It would probably be the most GREEN tax to be proposed yet. But as it had its effect, fuel volumes would reduce, government tax take would reduce and the Government would have to come clean and concede it was not green at all.

All they want is our money. The term duty means that we have a duty to pay, it does not suggest that the recipient of the tax has an specific duty to the payer.
 

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Favourite bit in the detail of the scrappage scheme is that the old car MUST have an MOT. I'd guess the main reason someone would trade in a trusted 9 or 10 year old car would be after an MOT failure...so now you'll actually get people paying to put it through the MOT just to scrap it!

Shouldnt it be the other way round, e.e.they only give it if it fails the MOT. At least then there's a logical reason to scrap it and it doesn't seem such a waste.

I also don't understand why the £300m cant be spent on the NHS and schools or even into generating renewable energy/reducing our dependence on oil. These would a) be of some use and b) unlike the new cars we buy, be built in UK creating British jobs.
 

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:confused:you would think the man with a car valued at 5k would be the one who would trade up not the man with a £300 car so will this offer tempt him to buy new or put off the guy with the 5k car or is it still worth 5k :confused: or will he keep it as it can't drop any value but then if the guy with the £300 buys a new kia for 7k will he only pay 2k then have a car worth 2k used :lol::confused::(

must remember not to post till i wake up in the morning
 

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or will it mean that there will never be a car worth less than the 5k? or 2k as it seems to have been set at today?
 

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Gone are the days of a £200 car with MOT and possibly Tax. That is more like £1000 now.

Question is, Have wages gone up that much in the past 10 years?
 

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Couldn't agree more. If you channel all the fixed costs (tax, MOT, insurance, etc) through fuel costs, the cost per mile would become very relevant. Low mileage motorists would benefit (but might decide to give up altogether). Higher mileage motorists would become conscious both of total mileage and mpg.

It would probably be the most GREEN tax to be proposed yet. But as it had its effect, fuel volumes would reduce, government tax take would reduce and the Government would have to come clean and concede it was not green at all..

Do you not think we pay enough fuel duty as it is. I do. Perhaps the government could do the unthinkable and actually cut VED etc and not increase fuel duty.

All they want is our money. The term duty means that we have a duty to pay, it does not suggest that the recipient of the tax has an specific duty to the payer.

Yes, but we pay 5 fold over for the use of our roads. I think they do have a duty to their electorate to

a) maintain the roads adequately with the money they are given (I don't think they fufill this well)
b) expand and build us new roads with the money they are given (they certainly do not do this). Crikey, Edinburgh and London aren't even linked by a motorway (and both are captial cities).

So to summerise, we get a bad deal from this lot. As tax payers we have "equity" in the UK. Where is our return on our investment?

Gone are the days of a £200 car with MOT and possibly Tax. That is more like £1000 now.

Question is, Have wages gone up that much in the past 10 years?

They haven't and as a socialist government they have betrayed their routes. it shows they are a party that are purely out for themselves and cannot be trusted as they have betrayed their core values (10p tax anyone)
 
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Its just a loan.

They lend you five grand off price of a new car.
You pay it back later with higher rate road tax. Guaranteed money for them.

And they used to issue bonds . . .
 

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Its just a loan.

They lend you five grand off price of a new car.
You pay it back later with higher rate road tax. Guaranteed money for them.

And they used to issue bonds . . .

They might even issue bonds with the collateral being Miss £10k/yr high risk £200/month low CO2 corsa...

Where might we have seen this before :rolleyes:
 


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