Catastrophic Engine Failure

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I own an E240 Avantgarde Estate registered November 2000, with an M112 914 V6 engine, circa 88k miles. On 24th September 2007 my engine suffered a catastrophic failure! Whilst climing a circa 1:12 gradient at 30mph, I used "kickdown" to maintain acceleration, then "BANG", clouds of "white smoke" emenating from the rear of the car. Seconds later, a "CLATTER" from the engine compartment. I pulled to the side of the road and the engine cut-out. Smoke and steam in the engine compartment!

The car was recovered to a local non-MB garage and it was established that the rear of the engine block had blown! Oil everywhere! 600 miles was indicated earlier that day before the next "B" service was due.

The engine had blown in the centre between the two V6 cylinder heads and a piece of the rear engine casing is available for inspection! Not likely to be caused by a failed con-rod as this would have blown out the side of the engine block.

I can find no threads on this forum or elsewhere on the internet where such an incident has occured. My local MB dealership have never heard of such an incident either. Some 3 weeks earlier I had a new MAF Sensor fitted by MB. Any possible connection maybe??

There appears to be a shaft visible through the hole in the rear of the engine block. Could this be the balancer shaft? Maybe a failure of the rear bearing on the shaft? Or is there maybe another known cause? Could this be a possible Warranty Claim under "Mobilo Life"?

The car was purchased on 1st June 2007 from a private owner (no warranty given); but does however have a full MB service history. The last service ("B") was on 30th March 2006 when the mileage was 72,219 (circa 16,000 miles driven over the last 18 months). The next service was indicated to be due at either 18,000 miles (not achieved) or 2 years (not achieved).

A new/reconditioned/secondhand engine to be fitted is the only option, other than a write-off of the car which I am unable to afford to do!

My local garage (not an MB authorised garage), has sourced an engine at in excess of £3k + VAT and with removal of the old engine and fitting a replacement, the cost would be a total of in excess of £4k + VAT. The garage states that if I go via a MB guaranteed source the engine and fitting will be in excess of £7k.

I have personally sourced replacement engines via the internet at between £1,750 to circa £2,300 including VAT and delivery charges. These engines have a 90 day warranty attached to them, however with no guarantee of mileage undertaken on them to date. This is clearly a best-cost-option, but is it the right one?

The garage state that if I source and provide my own engine and there are either current of subsequent problems associated with it, then the garage will not be held responsible. This I can understand and accept as a commercial risk to myself, if I choose to go that route.

What I am interested in trying to learn, is whether this catastrophic engine failure is a "known failure" of this particular V6 engine, which I understand was MB's first production V6 at the time the car was manufactured (2000); or is this a previously unknown failure and a "one off"?

Any help from forum members would be much appreciated.

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It is not a common failure but I have seen it once before on the 112 engine. BTW yoor car is not a E270. It is either a E240 or E320.

The cause of the fail was not known either but it was likely to be a little end failure.

That engine is normally fantastic and is very strong.
 
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Many thanks for your response and "correction"!
You are quite correct it is an E240 not 270 as I had inadvertently stated.
I have edited my post accordingly.
A Little End failure you believe, I must research that. Would you think this should be warrantable by MB?
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It won't be covered by MB.

Its a 7 year old car. It could have run out of oil in the past. It may not be a failure due to MB. It might have not been looked after.

You could try a goodwill request.
 

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I agree (though if I didn't, he'd be right and I'd be wrong..but anyway). I've been on this forum for a few years now, as well as having the same engine myself for 85,000 trouble free miles and I've never heard of such a failure as that engine rarely ever needs anything.
I would imagine you've just been unlucky.
No help but I've been there. Bought a Ford Garanada twin cam 2l from the auction. That engine is also considered bullet proof and one of the key reasons I bought it. Sounded sweet and ran nicely. Had it several weeks and then without warning, it blew a piston. In my case, there was evidence of previous damage and it had clearly been thrown back together as a temporary flog it quick solution, and I was the poor sap that ended up with it. Whether yours has a similar history is impossible to tell, but given how long you've had it, it's a possibility I guess.

I've also had a 60 mile old brand new Audi throw a con rod - These things happen.

I'd say that even if you did get an MB contribution (and I doubt it), it would have to be done at dealer rates and parts, costing you far more than you're currently looking at.

Get an engine from a reputable source (have you tried Dronsfields or MercMan?) and so long as it isn't a massive miler it should be ok.
 
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Many thanks for your responses BlackC55 and jberks.
I have already received a quote from Dronsfield (£2,132 inc. VAT and delivery) and have made a request to MercMan and await a response.
Sorry to hear of your tales of woe jberks!
I note your thoughts on a possible MB contribution and the likely cost implications.
 

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I read your story with interest as, although not exactly the same, I myself had an engine failure when the head gasket went on my car only a few months ago. Mines a 54reg C180k at just 34months old, full service history and under 30k miles on the clock.

Fortunatley, the cars warning system alerted me to the problem before it ever overheated or spilt oil and water everywhere. Also it was still under warranty and was eventually fixed - although it took Mercedes merchanics a lot of 'part changing' before they eventually pinpointed and agreed with me that the head gasket that had in fact gone.

I just have to put it down to bad luck! (or good luck if you consider mine was still under warranty) although on the back of it I doubt I will replace mine with another Merc.

I wish you all the best in getting your car running again.
 
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what about getting the dealer print out of the work done at last service to satisfy yourself no unusual previous problems.

Also if you give us details of where the car was advertised etc etc perhaps someone on the forums knows the car and any previous problems ???

Was the owner using the forums for example and did he ask for help in any area ???
 

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I just have to put it down to bad luck! (or good luck if you consider mine was still under warranty) although on the back of it I doubt I will replace mine with another Merc.

To be fair, you can't tar an entire make based on one rare incident. You make that many of anything, some will fail. Its bound to happen. I'm sure some rolls royces give out prematurely.
As I said, I had an Audi blow up in the middle of the road with 60 miles on the clock. I then had a further 2 identical models, over 6 years, with absolutley no problems. There are thousands of those engines out there with hundreds of thousands of miles in them running on the original head gasket. The rariity is probably the reason they took as long to find the fault as they did. In fact I doubt the dealer has ever done a head gasket, they fail that rarely.
Sure, don't buy a merc next time, thats your perogative, but don't make that decision on the basis of this on rare event.
After all, my 202 C class ignition barrel failed the day I collected it. (Rather spoiled the moment of my 'first merc' but hey). I could have rejected the car at that point but Instead I let them tow it away and fix it. I then enjoyed 9 years of virtually trouble free motoring.
 

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Is the cylinder head intact?

You can save yourself a bob or two once the replacement engine is in, by removing the cylinder head and flogging it privately. You may even find a purchaser for the rest of the engine.

I'd agree with others that its either really bad luck, or more likely IMO abuse.
 
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Parrot of Doom thank you for your response.

I am unable to say until the engine is stripped-out whether the cylinder head is intact or not. The damage was at the rear of the engine and difficult to see, other than a piece of the engine casing (lying on my desk) that was blown out!

I note your thoughts on possible re-coupment of a bob or two in due course.

I can only speak for the three and a half months that I drove the car and it was never abused. Having met the prior lady owner (of some 4 years) from whom the car was purchased, I do not think that abuse is appropriate either. I have to go with "really bad luck"!

A view that has been put to me by Dronsfield, is that it has been known that a faulty AMF Sensor can cause a surge of fuel and blow the inlet manifold. Any thoughts??

Coincidentally some 3 weeks prior to my "event" I had a new AMF Sensor fitted by MB. ??!

I am awaiting a discussion with MB Technical team via their Customer Support.

As suggested by others, I have contacted MercMan but they do not have a suitable engine available.

I have however sourced a M112 914 with Dronsfield in Oldham, weighed and paid with delivery on Tuesday next week!

As it was getting towards close of business on Friday (today), they even agreed "Free Delivery"! Saved a few bob!

The engine came from a rear-end write-off and has only 42k on the clock, less than half of my current engine at 88k. Cost £2,056 (inc. VAT) and fitting quote circa £400 + VAT.

An expensive journey to the doctor's surgery that day!

Once the old one is removed, I would love to investigate the reasons for my "Catastrophic Engine Failure"!

The story could go on!!
 

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Yes I do agree that you must know what failed, we could all keep guessing different reasons, good luck with the heart transplant, yes its painful, but fitting the new lump will ensure that this rare occurrence does not take place again
 

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I don't have much experience yet with mercs but totally feel for you with the engine going. Same thing happened to my X-Type I had before I got the AMG. Cost me a ****** fortune to fix!

I think this is the site I got mine from (which "only" cost £1300 in the end) http://www.reconditioned-engines.co.uk
 

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Now you are talking. I bet there would not be much differnece in the price and all you would need is the wiring looms, ECU's, gearbox, propshaft and axle for the V8.......

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Parrot of Doom and MotardMan.
V8 v V6??
No thank's Parrot.
I Have noted MotarMan's somewhat "cynical response" and I guess that there IS some substance to that!! It "feels" like there is!!

However, my own decision was made and, last Friday I "sourced" an M112 914 engine from Dronsfield Mercedes in Oldham. Order placed and paid for with delivery "promised" for today. Tuesday 9th October 2007. Delivery via "Palletways Couriers".

9am today (9/10/2007) I contacted Dronsfield, they said that they could not give me details of the courier service, or a tracking number and that I should await a call from Palletways if they had problems finding my delivery address!

I asked for a Tracking/Despatch Number and Dronsfield said that they could not give that information!! They also refused to give me details of, and a contact number for the "courier service". I was "flabbergasted", but I already knew when I purchased the engine on Friday last week, that the couriers were "Palletways Couriers".

I contacted Palletways Couriers direct and again was "fobbed-off"! They stated that they would only deal with their "customer" (Dronsfield). I made abosultely no-progress there; "we will only deal with our customer - Dronsfield, ring them"!

All I wanted to know was whether my replacement engine was to be delivered today (9/10/07) as promised by Dronsfield; (they took my money from my account 8/10/07) or whether there were any problems/delays with delivery.

At 12 noon I again contacted Dronsfield and spoke to the person that I had "ordered" the engine from on Friday (name witheld from this forum - though I know it)! He said that he would check with despatch and ring me back within 5 minutes.

Three hours later at 3pm I had not received a call-back from Dronsfield. I rang them again and within half a minute the (person not identified here) stated that the engine would be collected this evening (today 9/10/07); and would be delivered to me tomorrow (10/10/2007). He said that he would e-mail me information to me and I gave him my e-mail address. NO information has been received by me via my e-mail address!!

Dronsfield stated that the reason for non-despatch earlier was that their delivery people, Palletways Couriers, had changed their requirements.

Dronsfield stated that they would usually "bubble-wrap an engine on a pallet" and then despatch.

It appears that Palletways now require that all consignments are "cubed" to enable them to "stack" deliveries. From a commercial viewpoint, I can accept this as a reasonable requirement from the courier service. However, my supplier (Dronsfield) has not kept me properly "in the loop".

At 4pm today I received yet another call from Dronsfield stating that the engine would be collected from them tomorrow (10/10/2007) with delivery to me the day after!

There was no reason as to "why" the delivery was not made today (other than "cubing") or why not tomorrow!!

Hence, although I am gratefull that Dronsfield had an "available" engine replacement for me; (hopefully it will all "fit-together" OK - time will tell) I an not a "Happy-Chappy" regarding customer support.

Dronsfield and their Courier service seem to have a "closed-shop" regarding information available to the ultimate "Client". The "Consignee" - ME!! Having spent many £K's with Dronsfield, one would have expected a better customer relations experience!!

More may follow hereafter!!

God, only positive knews I hope!!
 
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A lesson to learn here me thinks. Once, only once, did I obtain an engine from this company. Never ever again. It was worse than the one I removed from the car I was working on. I ended up rebuilding the original engine (cost a hundred more than the bought engine) But I had piece of mind that it was "right". It took me 3 months and numerous rude calls from them to have my money refunded.
 
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10am 11/10/07 - The "Lump" has arrived.

Another couple of days and hopefully I will be mobile again!!

Thank you to all the contributors to this post.

When the old engine is removed and the manifold taken off, then maybe a peek inside might enlighten as to what went so wrong!! I will let the forum know in due course.
 
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jberks

You responded to my post on Rusty Old Buckets - or thereabouts! Many thanks.

You also responded regarding my "aside" to "catastrophic engine failure".

Your advice is NOT to mention an engine change to MB when seeking re-dress on rust issues, they will not check?!

However, I AM concerned that any Mobilo Warranty is NOT invalidated by a fundamental change to the "original" vehicle, not MB undertaken.

Well, whoever said that owning a car was a "total joy"? Clearly there are (many) "downsides" and, hopefully a balance of "upsides"? Time will tell.

Many thank's for your response to my posting.
 


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