DPF Removal

[Dave Wright]

Hello all,

I bought an W212 E350cdi last year when I was doing a lot of motorway miles. Having moved jobs my car now does not get a regular ‘run’ and I have had blocked DPF issues. I want to know if anyone has had their DPF physically removed and if so how much this cost/how long this took. I have planned a remap which will include DPF delete from the ECU

Cheers,
Dave

 

[LostKiwi]

Hello all,

I bought an W212 E350cdi last year when I was doing a lot of motorway miles. Having moved jobs my car now does not get a regular ‘run’ and I have had blocked DPF issues. I want to know if anyone has had their DPF physically removed and if so how much this cost/how long this took. I have planned a remap which will include DPF delete from the ECU

Cheers,
Dave

Illegal and will make your car unroadworthy and uninsurable.

 

[brandwooddixon]

Hasn't the MOT been tightened up to specifically look for them if the car should be fitted with one?

 

[Dave Wright]

Illegal and will make your car unroadworthy and uninsurable.

Just want to know if anyone has had it done. I understand the reasons people don’t. Rather than getting a ECU DPF delete and still just driving round with a blocked DPF that’s going to do the car more harm

 

[LostKiwi]

It has.

It is now illegal to drive any vehicle which has had its emission control system removed or tampered with on public roads.

Evidence of removal or tampering is an instant MOT fail.

Garages will tell you it's not illegal to remove the DPF and technically they are correct. The offence is to drive a car in that state so no come back on the garage even though they are effectively making the vehicle unroadworthy.

Likewise a remap should be declared to an insurance company and they will not cover a vehicle which is unroadworthy.

 

[LostKiwi]

Just want to know if anyone has had it done. I understand the reasons people don’t. Rather than getting a ECU DPF delete and still just driving round with a blocked DPF that’s going to do the car more harm

If it came with it and you remove it and drive it you are breaking the law.

 

[Dave Wright]

If it came with it and you remove it and drive it you are breaking the law.

Fully understand the law if it’s emissions are worse due to a modification it’s against the law of driven on the road. Again, I want to know if someone has done it, and if so how much.

 

[LostKiwi]

If it's illegal and will make you uninsured why are you doing it?

Do the right thing and if a diesel is no longer suitable replace it with something that is.
Would you keep a 2 seater car if you and your wife had a child?

 

[Dave Wright]

If it's illegal and will make you uninsured why are you doing it?

Do the right thing and if a diesel is no longer suitable replace it with something that is.
Would you keep a 2 seater car if you and your wife had a child?

I’m just gathering information right now, no decisions made, no laws broken. However on that point speeding is breaking the law however we are all guilty of that I’m sure. If my wife had a baby I’d firstly want to know who my wife is, is the baby mine, and what two seater have I got?

 

[LostKiwi]

I’m just gathering information right now, no decisions made, no laws broken. However on that point speeding is breaking the law however we are all guilty of that I’m sure. If my wife had a baby I’d firstly want to know who my wife is, is the baby mine, and what two seater have I got?

Why gather information if it's illegal? It's a pointless exercise.

 

[Dave Wright]

Why gather information if it's illegal? It's a pointless exercise.

No more or less pointless than repeating that it’s illegal to someone that understands that. And as I believe Einstein once quoted “Never regard study as a duty but as an enviable opportunity to learn to know the liberating influence of beauty in the realm of the spirit for your own personal joy” - Im fact gathering for my own joy, the same as that time I read a philosophy book

 

[LostKiwi]

I have planned a remap which will include DPF delete from the ECU

So much for no decision being made.

I don't understand why you would expect anyone here to assist in:
1. Making your car uninsured when it's possible it could be your car that hits theirs at some point in the future (whether you're the owner/driver or not). There are already too many uninsured drivers out there
2. Setting up someone else for an expensive bill to put it back to how it should be because you won't do the right thing.
3. Adding more fuel to the already strong anti-ICE feeling in government and society.
4. Deciding that for some reason laws don't apply to you. That suggests the same mentality that our politicians have regarding parties during lockdown.

I can speak with authority regarding point 2. I bought a vehicle I subsequently discovered had been tampered with to disable the DPF. I forced the seller to stump up for DPF reinstatement and remap. He (being a dealer) then took the person he bought from to small claims to recover his losses.
It took a lot of my time and effort to get this all sorted and there was no way I was letting it go.

I am vehemently opposed to anyone who thinks it is acceptable to cause more vehicular pollution by tampering with emissions controls.

It shows a distinct lack of concern for others if you are prepared to drive an uninsured vehicle that throws out excessive pollutants simply because you can't be bothered to do the right thing.

Either change your commuting habits (ride a bicycle) or get a different car more suited to your requirements.

 

[Dave Wright]

So much for no decision being made.

I don't understand why you would expect anyone here to assist in:
1. Making your car uninsured when it's possible it could be your car that hits theirs at some point in the future (whether you're the owner/driver or not). There are already too many uninsured drivers out there
2. Setting up someone else for an expensive bill to put it back to how it should be because you won't do the right thing.
3. Adding more fuel to the already strong anti-ICE feeling in government and society.
4. Deciding that for some reason laws don't apply to you. That suggests the same mentality that our politicians have regarding parties during lockdown.

I can speak with authority regarding point 2. I bought a vehicle I subsequently discovered had been tampered with to disable the DPF. I forced the seller to stump up for DPF reinstatement and remap. He (being a dealer) then took the person he bought from to small claims to recover his losses.
It took a lot of my time and effort to get this all sorted and there was no way I was letting it go.

I am vehemently opposed to anyone who thinks it is acceptable to cause more vehicular pollution by tampering with emissions controls.

It shows a distinct lack of concern for others if you are prepared to drive an uninsured vehicle that throws out excessive pollutants simply because you can't be bothered to do the right thing.

Either change your commuting habits (ride a bicycle) or get a different car more suited to your requirements.

You just need to relax. Again I have not said this is happening. I have not removed my DPF. I have currently paid out for a clean and forced regen in the next few days. All of which I consider doing the right thing? This is not an issue of politics, and how you’ve manage to shoehorn in the politicians behaviour into a car thread has to be admired but again isn’t relevant. If I said to you I will be using my partners car to commute, but performing a DPF removal on a second car along with installing god know what else to make the engine pump out untold noise and gasses but which I will then be using for track racing only so now all legal, where would you stand? To get annoyed and block someone merely seeking an understanding, of gathering knowledge to better make an informed decision… sounds a lot like our politicians am I right? Please do not take this wrongly, I do fully understand your agitation, but you are charging me of someone else’s ‘law breaking’ for trying to fact gather, and your facts have undeniably been gathered and I thank you for it.

 

[LostKiwi]

Frankly I don't believe your motives.
You started this thread talking about how your car is no longer suitable for your driving profile.
You had planned a DPF removal in software and further went on to mention "driving around with a blocked DPF" which suggests the primary intent is to use it as a road vehicle.
Now you mention about using your partner's car solely in my opinion to gain the information titre asking for under false pretences.

My BS detection system is currently getting high readings off your posts.

Anyone else in here will no doubt make their own mind up but I would discourage anyone from assisting in putting yet another uninsured vehicle on the road.

 

[Dave Wright]

Frankly I don't believe your motives.
You started this thread talking about how your car is no longer suitable for your driving profile.
You had planned a DPF removal in software and further went on to mention "driving around with a blocked DPF" which suggests the primary intent is to use it as a road vehicle.
Now you mention about using your partner's car solely in my opinion to gain the information titre asking for under false pretences.

My BS detection system is currently getting high readings off your posts.

Anyone else in here will no doubt make their own mind up but I would discourage anyone from assisting in putting yet another uninsured vehicle on the road

Again I stated that purely to ask what your opinion would be on that point, if this thread had started ‘track day DPF removal’ would you have the same reaction? I am not trying to put anyone under false pretences I still just want to know the same answers as I did originally. I may well sell my car and buy a Prius, or an e63. I am as just stated, trying to do the right thing with the fixes I have booked in… I was then obtaining more information to allow me to make a decision going forward. What you seem incapable of comprehending is that someone, may ask people that have a greater knowledge on a subject to inform a decision to hopefully do the right thing. But to charge someone of being guilty of doing that thing for simply asking about the subject is a bit ‘keyboard warrior-esque.’ I truly am enjoying the exchange with yourself, it’s a shame it couldn’t happen in the number 10 garden at one of my ‘work events’

 

[LostKiwi]

The point is you didn't state it was for track use so I'm not going to reply to that question.

In my opinion from this and other threads you have posted your interest is solely based on making a car that is no longer fit for your purpose illegal in order to prevent you running up costs.

As for making a decision going forward DPF removal should bo longer feature as an option due to the simple fact it makes your car unroadworthy and uninsurable so I fail to understand your continued interest.

In other words the BS detector is still pointing firmly to the brown zone.

 

[Dave Wright]

The point is you didn't state it was for track use so I'm not going to reply to that question.

In my opinion from this and other threads you have posted your interest is solely based on making a car that is no longer fit for your purpose illegal in order to prevent you running up costs.

As for making a decision going forward DPF removal should bo longer feature as an option due to the simple fact it makes your car unroadworthy and uninsurable so I fail to understand your continued interest.

In other words the BS detector is still pointing firmly to the brown zone.

You are well within your right not to reply. As you are within your right to have an opinion on my interest in any matter, however that is all that is, an opinion. Your failing to understand on a matter of what my interests are; is fundamentally what makes us all wonderfully unique. Your interested are not my interests, I’m sure. Your opinion, again, that I have chosen to do a thing, before I have made any choice has the adverse affect of what you intend. I like to seek understanding, something you have firmly put a wall up against in this instance because of your opinion rather than understanding of my interest….. your serve. This really is the most engaging debate at 1am I’ve ever been part of, so thank you

 

[LostKiwi]

Oh I am sure I understand your interest.

Furthermore whilst I have first hand knowledge of what you are trying to find out I will not be sharing it as I believe your intent is to use that knowledge in a way that is illegal and unethical and I do not countenance that.

 

[Dave Wright]

Oh I am sure I understand your interest.

I hope you do.

 

[Tony Dyson]

Hello all,

I bought an W212 E350cdi last year when I was doing a lot of motorway miles. Having moved jobs my car now does not get a regular ‘run’ and I have had blocked DPF issues. I want to know if anyone has had their DPF physically removed and if so how much this cost/how long this took. I have planned a remap which will include DPF delete from the ECU

Cheers,
Dave

I'm sure it's the nature of the controversial practice of deleting any existing emissions controls, whether from a legal or ethical perspective are the reasons why you will not find any public recommendations for any garage services who will carry out this work on your behalf. Truth is, if I knew of a garage prepared to do this work, it would exclude them from ever being considered to do any work on my car whatsoever!

Rest assured, there is a reason or combination of events that is/are inhibiting the designed regeneration of your DPF, all it needs are all the boxes ticking at the same time, it's not rocket science but it is a complicated process and one that should be managed by someone who understands the problem and how to fix it, you clearly don't as you've already given up the fight, the fault/s have won, you still have a blocked DPF and you've decided to rip it out!

If the job was beyond my capabilities I would find a recommended MB independent specialist and seek assistance there, they would then diagnose and fix the root cause of the problem/s inhibiting the regen. There are 20 boxes that I know of, to be ticked for a successful automatic and/or manual regen.