E210 engine management light

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I have been careful not to start a new thread before reviewing all similar-sounding problems but have been advised this is the right thing to do here. So here goes!
I am new to Mercs, having fallen for them in place of Jaguars so please be gentle!
The subject: 2001 E240 estate, petrol, 62k miles, bit rough inside from kids but otherwise bought fully tested & lots of history, mainly from Indies, (i think you guys call them!)
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I have had the car since last December. Bought it with a slight idle misfire but thought a service etc would sort it. While i was thinking about having the service done, the engine management light came on, pulling out from the station car park. Had the service done by a friend who knows Mercs and/but has Sykes hand-held for reading/resetting fault codes etc. He reset 6 faults at the service: sporadic and random(!) misfires, cascading (his words), through Lambda and cat converter failure. After the reset, all was dandy until i AGAIN pulled out from said station car park, engine cold, and going uphill.The engine management light came on and all power was lost. (Limp-home mode?)
I pulled into a layby to let the traffic pass, switched off, started again and although the eng management light was still on, power was resumed, still with idle misfire but back to full power.
This was a couple of weeks ago. 12 new plugs, swopping over coil-packs to try to isolate the misfire, (failed!) and general checking of everything has had no improvement. I reset the faults again, only to have them reappear as above.
Three days ago I jumped in when the car was hot, started it and the eng/management light disappeared! There is still the idle misfire though.

Latest: I did the same car-park thing tonight, but keeping the revs/power low by using Tiptronic manual changes to let the engine warm-up, the b***dy eng/management light came on again, with limp-home mode! Stopped in the same lay-by as before, restarted the engine and, well, see beginning of story!

I have noted a guys, (Maxicab), problems with an E124 and it seems this engine was a pre-curser, (sic!) to the E210 and suffered problems with the top wiring loom.
I have inspected the top loom and it looks good. The injectors seem to be firing but, I have to say, as a marine diesel engineer, the injector 'signature' is not the same for all cylinders. (Maybe this is OK on petrol engines?).

Before i spend more with MB than the car is worth, can anyone point me in a general direction to sort this out?
Many thanks guys!!
Mark
 

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For the management light and limp home problem - probably the MAF - it normally is. Try giving it a clean or failing that, get a new one from Bosch. It should have recorded a fault though.
As for the idle misfire - put some new leads on it. Been there twice with a 2000 E240 and new leads did the trick on both occasions.
 
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Many thanks. I will try both and see what happens. Would the faulty MAF always show a fault? and would the fault light reset all by itself? Also, do you know why the problem only occurs when cold?
I am also puzzled by the twin-spark arrangement and why the engine should misfire when it has a back-up. But then I am puzzled by lots of things really...!
 

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maf problems

my e240 when I bought it 4 years ago had same probs , was told it was coils , changed bosch air mass sensor car has been fantastic , only buy bosch part as copy from euro car part is rubbish.
 
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E240 MAF/towing?

Well, i think that is all I need to know! Thanks very much guys!
I will get a Bosch MAF one next week and try it out.
Incidentally, this morning, Sunday, i went to start the car and again, the management light has gone out! Seems to have a mind of its own! But it drives brilliantly, but still rough on tick-over. I will change the plug leads if the new MAF doesn't work.
While I'm here, don't suppose anyone has any good tips for towing a caravan with this car? It's an auto but without additional gearbox oil coolers etc. Maybe one of the senior guys can tell me if i need to open a new thread for this?
I have just completed fitting the electrics and tow-bar. (The Forum had some great advice on the electrics! Both 12N and 12S sockets with multiplexer relay etc worked 1st time despite reliable equipment supply problems! For the record, if you live anywhere near East Sussex, B&B Trailers at Fletching got my vote as trailer electrics experts!!)
 
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E240 MAF Bosch or Lowe?

I have had problems getting a Bosch MAF for my E240. Eventually found one at Bosch distributor for 145 quid. However, www.maf-shop.com does a Lowe one for Euro 89, guaranteed for 2 years.
Anyone tried one of these before?
 

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Bosch only!

Do not even attempt to put another on. They ARE sh1t.

I maybe able to get a better price for you. Email me your reg number. Thanks.
 

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I doubut it will be an air mass problem. They seldom bring a light on if ever unless unplugged.

I suspect either a coil has gone down or the leads are in poor condition. Chen the resistance of the leads hot. The resistance is stamped on the silver part of the lead. Throw away any that are even slightly above spec.

Oh and the actual values of the llambda sensors need to be checked too.
 
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E240 MAF Bosch or Lowe?

Hi BlackC55
I have sent you an email about the cost of a MAF. But I too have reservations on this. Seems arguable that the light comes on when the MAF fails. When I disconnected the MAF today, the engine was cold and only 'stumbled' a bit on removing the plug, then returned to normal. Only strange symptom was the rad. fan came on full speed about 10 seconds after disconnection.
Should i get the engine hot before disconnection?
I dunno but it seems a bit odd that these things can't be tested without a MB rig. I phoned the Crawley outlet for Bosch and the guy said, "oh yes, we sell a lot of these"! I'll bet!!!
I must get some shares if the technology doesn't improve!

The leads: another story! it looks like someone in the past has opened up the silver bit on some of them! I think I'll do these first and then think about the MAF. Do the leads just pull away from the coils? They seem reluctant to move!!
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sorry but i would say water in the fuel rail if coils and plugs swapped, had a few of these in the last few months, all the above a poss but we thrown hours into these 210s and been as i said,
 

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yes the coil leads are tight to remove but do come off!!!
 
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Just got hold of a set of 12 new leads today, 'XL Complete', if anyone has heard of them? 40 quid.
I will fit them soonest, probably Friday, before I head for Durham on Saturday. I will then see if the fault codes reappear!
Anyone near Durham in case the worst happens?
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the maf can cause misfire like symptoms and can also bring the light on, if the maf causes misfires bad enough the light will come on, seen it before today, get your air mass readings at idle checked before you take the plunge and buy one,

in my dealer time the 112 engine did suffer from cats on the right bank breaking down, then sucking into engine and scoring bores causing misfires,
if misfires appear on one bank cyl 1 2 n 3 get the cat checked,
best of luck in finding fault
 
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