Electric cars..been reading on the other forum...I have some thoughts

[js190d]

Here is an interesting video comparing Tesla's autopilot system with an open source self driving system called Openpilot.

 

[A.J.]

A few more issues to consider with an EV

 

[LostKiwi]

Not much difference to a petrol/diesel car with a near empty tank joining a queue.

 

[John Laidlaw]

.....and the likelihood is......?

 

[00slk]

.....and the likelihood is......?

.................Hybrid...............

 

[Rappey69]

"If all cars were electrically powered"
That's an easy one as they would also be autonomous so would communicate with each other and therefore every junction would be a filter situation with all cars automatically adjusting speed to keep the flow moving while allowing other vehicles to join, meaning traffic jams would be a thing of the past.

 

[js190d]

"If all cars were electrically powered"
That's an easy one as they would also be autonomous so would communicate with each other and therefore every junction would be a filter situation with all cars automatically adjusting speed to keep the flow moving while allowing other vehicles to join, meaning traffic jams would be a thing of the past.

So how far in the future do you think this could be the reality? 10, 20, 30, 40 years?

First you have to get every non electric non autonomous car off the road. Good luck with that.

All it would take to muck this up would be some old boy in his mgb out for a sunday drive and bam computer says no, does not compute.

Really this is just still more pie in the sky rubbish from the pro EV crowd. Technology is not the solution.

 

[A.J.]

So how far in the future do you think this could be the reality? 10, 20, 30, 40 years?

First you have to get every non electric non autonomous car off the road. Good luck with that.

All it would take to muck this up would be some old boy in his mgb out for a sunday drive and bam computer says no, does not compute.

Really this is just still more pie in the sky rubbish from the pro EV crowd. Technology is not the solution.

From where I am sitting it looks cuckoo land

 

[Philedge]

All it would take to muck this up would be some old boy in his mgb out for a sunday drive and bam computer says no, does not compute.

The oldboy in the MGB wont get a look in after the weaving cyclists have done their bit

 

[js190d]

From where I am sitting it looks cuckoo land

It's quite baffling the faith some people will put in a few cheap hd cameras from China and some software is'nt it.

 

[Blobcat]

It's quite baffling the faith some people will put in a few cheap hd cameras from China and some software is'nt it.

I was listening to the Radio today and there was a piece that a group of activists had tried to take down (or at least disrupt) the national grid. Their plan was to switch on all their kettles, lights and heaters at the same time. National Grid noticed it but the blip was smaller than the regular after the soaps demand...

The interesting point made, was that if sufficient people in the UK get smart meters / Hive etc then they could all be switched on and make a demand large enough to affect the grid...

Hive software and password protection was flakey at best and If that was your thing you could definitely utilise it for nefarious purposes.

What has this to do with electric self driving cars? Those same people could do the same to those autonomous systems...

 

[js190d]

If that was your thing you could definitely utilise it for nefarious purposes.

What has this to do with electric self driving cars? Those same people could do the same to those autonomous systems...

Well yes anything that is called Smart is by nature connected to a wider network of like machines or remote computers.

I suppose one problem could be you never know who actually has access to the Smart device you are using.

If it's a car then in the worst scenario you could mess with its functionality.

Tesla for example can remotely shut down there vehicles.

The real reason for Smart products is data gathering which makes the manufacturers more money than selling the product in the first place, in many instances.

 

[LostKiwi]

I was listening to the Radio today and there was a piece that a group of activists had tried to take down (or at least disrupt) the national grid. Their plan was to switch on all their kettles, lights and heaters at the same time. National Grid noticed it but the blip was smaller than the regular after the soaps demand...

The interesting point made, was that if sufficient people in the UK get smart meters / Hive etc then they could all be switched on and make a demand large enough to affect the grid...

Hive software and password protection was flakey at best and If that was your thing you could definitely utilise it for nefarious purposes.

What has this to do with electric self driving cars? Those same people could do the same to those autonomous systems...

You don't need autonomous cars for that:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/

Mercedes Me anyone....?

 

[js190d]

You don't need autonomous cars for that:



Indeed you just need a car with a data sim card embedded. Sadly any autonomous car would have many sim cards all pumping data back and forth without the owners knowledge.

 

[LostKiwi]

Why would it have multiple sim cards? Just as easy to have a single data sim and route all data through it (and less expensive).

 

[js190d]

Why would it have multiple sim cards? Just as easy to have a single data sim and route all data through it (and less expensive).

Different funtionalities via 4g & 5g connectivity.

 

[LostKiwi]

Different funtionalities via 4g & 5g connectivity.

Can't see why they would even bother with 5G given its not prevalent throughout the UK let alone the world.
A 5G sim will also be downward compatible to 4G anyway just as 4G sims are downward compatible to 3G and in some cases 2G.

 

[js190d]

5g is the ideal technology for the highly detailed data an autonomous car would require and is here already in uk now.

Backwards compatability would'nt really work for 5g as it is very different system to 4g using a different type of transmitter.

 

[Rappey69]

Those same people could do the same to those autonomous systems...

Im not pro electric, im going to be driving my diesel for at least another 8 yrs unless things change dramatically.
I,m only debating this as its fun, non aggressive and all the "not going to happen" comments can be thrown back in your faces when you finally realise its going to happen.. Why else would such huge companies throw so much money at self driving cars ?
Google has bought a crazy amount of A.I companies.
Passenger aircraft don't appear to be falling out of the sky, or the euro fighter which cant be flown without a computer .
There are many autonomous objects already in use. autonomous cars have already driven millions of miles.
Maybe you should read what I typed a little more clearly, " if ALL electric cars" so that excludes grandad in his petrol car.
Once the vast majority are some sort of electric power do you really think petroleum companies will keep operating fuel stations, its not like they do that to be kind to motorists? No petrol stations = no ice cars, even if they are not banned.
It wasn't that long ago the first home pc came out and look at where we are now, hand held devices with more computing power than Apollo 13 had.
Of course no one actually knows what will happen ,with the exception of the government who must have a secret crystal ball somewhere

 

[d215yq]

It's quite baffling the faith some people will put in a few cheap hd cameras from China and some software is'nt it.

Noone will be putting their "faith" in anything, in the same way I don't put my "faith" in the tiny 2" square brake pads I bought for 10 pounds and flimsy rubber flexi brake hoses on my W124. I don't need to put faith in them because Mercedes and other manufacturers have proven over many years that the braking system, despite looking flimsy/small to an outsider, is sufficient to stop the car and reliable enough not to have to worry about it so I put my faith in the evidence of teh system working rather than the actual system itself.

In the same way, autonomous car manufacturers (good ones) will prove through statistics and research that their products are safer than humans and it is statistically safer for the computer to be at the wheel than me being at the wheel, and then I would be stupid not to put my "faith" in them even if it appears like the camera is cheap/insufficient or whatever other doubts people may have.