From CL500 TO E55... the journey begins

[Westheath]

Provided it doesn't have that silly semi auto gearbox in with the £3k clutch replacements

Those went in the F1 box
Clutch was ok if it was driven properly.

Full auto boxes in later models.

 

[Westheath]

So all the brands best known for poor quality and things breaking often then

Yea funny how Fiat are above Mercedes in 2017 best car manufacturers.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/91289/best-car-manufacturers-2017

 

[m2287]

Don't think so.

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Fiat owns: Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram and SRT

I think they stole the window switches from a w210 and the centre console from a Vauxhall insignia.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Yea funny how Fiat are above Mercedes in 2017 best car manufacturers.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/91289/best-car-manufacturers-2017

I’ll see your Auto Express and raise you the actual industry- recognised JD Power 2017 Initial Quality Survey.

 

[Westheath]

I rather go with the actual vehicle owners reports/findings actual results.

 

[Craiglxviii]

That might be where you rather go. It isn’t where the actual motor manufacturers go. So, they won’t recognise the validity of that data, which if owner/driver based also discounts any plant quality concerns that JD Power includes.

 

[m2287]

Mazda in 5th place?!

We use them as fleet cars and the infotainment doesn’t work when the temperature is under 8 degrees! They admit in the dealerships that it’s a common, known fault and there is nothing they can do to rectify it.

I rather go with the actual vehicle owners reports/findings actual results.

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[Westheath]

Mazda in 5th place?!

We use them as fleet cars and the infotainment doesn’t work when the temperature is under 8 degrees! They admit in the dealerships that it’s a common, known fault and there is nothing they can do to rectify it.

It was fixed in a firmware update and the Nav card replaced apparently.

A non dealership fix is to clean the contacts on the nav card.

 

[m2287]

It was fixed in a firmware update and the Nav card replaced apparently.

I can confirm (as can Peterborough Mazda) that this does not fix it.

 

[m2287]

I can confirm (as can Peterborough Mazda) that this does not fix it.

Saying that - they were positively useless so they probably can’t confirm anything!

“No sir you haven’t booked a courtesy car”

“Yes I did, that’s why I had to wait 2 weeks for you to have one available, it was yourself I spoke to on the phone, you just gave one to the customer in front of me who hadn’t booked one”

“Ah, well the problem is that we don’t actually have one available now....”

 

[Westheath]

That might be where you rather go. It isn’t where the actual motor manufacturers go. So, they won’t recognise the validity of that data, which if owner/driver based also discounts any plant quality concerns that JD Power includes.

That sounds about right.
Manufacturers ignoring actual useful data direct from persons actually using their products.

Brilliant.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread a little, I'm out

 

[m2287]

I can agree with Lexus being top place, I had a ct200h afew years ago. Car and dealerships were great!

 

[Craiglxviii]

That sounds about right.
Manufacturers ignoring actual useful data direct from persons actually using their products.

Brilliant.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread a little, I'm out

Or it could be OEMs taking data from multiple sources and not just limiting themselves to one, because they’re multi-billion dollar corporations whose success or failure depends on getting stuff like this right. Or perhaps a car magazine knows best?