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[liverpooluk]

hiya guys

bit of a dielemma here.

1991 w124 300d

Now this car had Eibach Pro-kit springs installed. but i had a problem with the fact that i do mobile discos and the back springs were always bottoming out under load.. plus i had a problem with the front right hand wheel always scraping the fender when going up a graidient.

now i purchased new springs from Gsf car parts
This is what it said on the box

Mercedes Front Spring, 300 6 cyl extra equipment. part number M45420
same part number for a range of the larger cars.

purchased heavy duty rear springs also. given the extra weight of the equipment i carry.

this is the website. www.gsfcarparts.com

now installed the springs with a 2 bump on the front and 3 on the rear.

think theres something wrong with these pictures dont you?

whats wrong?

 

[shaggy]

hiya guys

bit of a dielemma here.

1991 w124 300d

Now this car had Eibach Pro-kit springs installed. but i had a problem with the fact that i do mobile discos and the back springs were always bottoming out under load.. plus i had a problem with the front right hand wheel always scraping the fender when going up a graidient.

now i purchased new springs from Gsf car parts
This is what it said on the box

Mercedes Front Spring, 300 6 cyl extra equipment. part number M45420
same part number for a range of the larger cars.

purchased heavy duty rear springs also. given the extra weight of the equipment i carry.

this is the website. www.gsfcarparts.com

now installed the springs with a 2 bump on the front and 3 on the rear.

think theres something wrong with these pictures dont you?

whats wrong?

ive had the same problem and id put a 3 nipple rubber back on top of the new spring (fronts) you have to put a smaller rubber on top of the spring they cost about £5 each
also gsf gave me the wrong springs the ones they had for a 300d were not the springs fitted to mine :!: acording to mb mine were the same as gsf petrol springs and just to make you feel better the springs i bought from gsf were only £6 each + vat cheeper than mb 'original ones'
go to the dealer parts and check the chassis number against the springs your car should have fitted ask for a quote & if he writes the spring down go and check with gsf you may find its listed as a different spring thats what i did and gsf leeds payed their mechanic to fit the 'proper' ones!
ive learnt to check mb prices first then ring gsf for a couple of quid its worth fitting original no?
oh and you do have the proper size tyres on dont you?

 

[liverpooluk]

but i have 2 bump on the front now. surely 3 bump are bigger.?

interesting statement tho thanks made me think now.

ill investigate a bit more but thanks for the info.

any chance you can remember what petrol model the springs were for?

what branch of GSF was that. might get our local branch to ring them and compare notes

not the original spec wheels no. but the rim and wheel are measured to the same rolling stock as OEM. id have a look outside but its dark now and ****in down as well lol. so will update tomorrow thanks

 

[shaggy]

but i have 2 bump on the front now. surely 3 bump are bigger.?

interesting statement tho thanks made me think now.

ill investigate a bit more but thanks for the info.

any chance you can remember what petrol model the springs were for?

what branch of GSF was that. might get our local branch to ring them and compare notes

sorry i HAD 3 nipple when i fitted the wrong springs
gsf leeds and they had the springs i needed logged in their computer as petrol springs we only found that out with the mb numbers according to my chassis number the springs are the same size if you measure them
acording to mb they do not do a 'petrol' or 'diesel' spring just a spring that corresponds to the chassis number of your car BUT gsf have springs listed as petrol or diesel
go to mb and tell them you want a price on springs get them to give you a quote and write the parts numbers then go to gsf and they can check they have given you the right springs thats what i did! its very annoying i know but its the only way i could get mine sorted other than trying other springs :-| gsf had my springs classed as 124 300 petrol
it goes on what extras your car had when it was built as to what spring was fitted or so im told by derwents mb leeds

 

[liverpooluk]

so by rights.. if they are the wrong springs i should be entitled to my money back then yes? we have a merc indy parts supplier in Liverpool that i usually go to. but he was closed later saturday so i went to GSF. kicking myself now tho. thinking of joining the next monster truck extravaganza tour when it comes to town.

but thanks for the info bud. ill let my branch know about the problems. get them to call leeds and see if they remember.

 

[shaggy]

so by rights.. if they are the wrong springs i should be entitled to my money back then yes? we have a merc indy parts supplier in Liverpool that i usually go to. but he was closed later saturday so i went to GSF. kicking myself now tho. thinking of joining the next monster truck extravaganza tour when it comes to town.

but thanks for the info bud. ill let my branch know about the problems. get them to call leeds and see if they remember.

leeds payed for mine doing :grin: they got a mechanic in but saying that i had just spent £200 with them

 

[liverpooluk]

of course you would expect them to do if after that much. but then again. if i was involved in an accident in the car and it was proved that they supplied the wrong springs. isnt it their error to fix that anyway.? the amount of running about ive had to cancel due to their error has cost me more than £200 in canceled bookings due to no car

how long ago was this?

 

[shaggy]

2 or 3 weeks ago
the thing is that they only sell the parts if there is no actual breakdown of the parts then its not down to them.
they will sell a standard spring for that model but due to mb changes its not actualy their fault & that is probably printed on the reverse of your reciept
gsf are not bad in my opinion they do some good parts at right money but i will never buy springs from them again due to mb's spring fitting system and the fact that mine were only £6=vat cheaper at gsf
take your car to gsf and see what they can do for you
if you think it is unsafe to drive then take photo's with you mate
dont let it get you all frustrated like i did i was ready to punch someones lights out but im glad i didn't as they probably wouldn't have helped me like they did
be cool and talk to them m8 you may just get the answers you need :smile:

 

[shaggy]

have you sorted anything yet mate?

 

[SLinKyjoe]

he really should get the windows limo tinted and install some audio artillery and then lay the drivers seat right back and go cruise!!!

 

[shaggy]

he really should get the windows limo tinted and install some audio artillery and then lay the drivers seat right back and go cruise!!!

ya gotta chill baby

 

[SLinKyjoe]

he needs spinners tooo.....and under runner neon's.

and a sub woofer instead of rear seats and boot space....

 

[shaggy]

he needs spinners tooo.....and under runner neon's.

and a sub woofer instead of rear seats and boot space....

are you daft?!?!?! you forgot his 'neville & tracy' sunstrip & his furry dice and his shell suit (he is from liverpool you know) hey hey hey hey hey

we are only playing liverpool how are you getting on with gsf?

 

[SLinKyjoe]

are you daft?!?!?!



yes!!!!!

 

[shaggy]

are you daft?!?!?!



yes!!!!!

that makes 2 of us then 8)

 

[Terminator]

I have the Eibach springs fitted to mine which improves the centre of gravity and therefore the road holding. These are excellent springs but you need to match your shock absorbers to prevent the problems you are experiencing when carrying heavy loads. Mercedes do the Sportline Shocks which are shorter and stiffer with less rebound than the originals and are better suited to the Eibach springs. Also worth checking your engine mounts before fitting lowering springs as a shot mount causes the engine to drop and contributes to the 'grounding' effect. I would be very dubious about buying cheap springs from GSF or the like as unless you can be sure that it was manufactured by the Original Equipment provider or a specialist manufacturer such as Eibach or Bilstein, you tend to get what you pay for.

 

[shaggy]

I have the Eibach springs fitted to mine which improves the centre of gravity and therefore the road holding. These are excellent springs but you need to match your shock absorbers to prevent the problems you are experiencing when carrying heavy loads. Mercedes do the Sportline Shocks which are shorter and stiffer with less rebound than the originals and are better suited to the Eibach springs. Also worth checking your engine mounts before fitting lowering springs as a shot mount causes the engine to drop and contributes to the 'grounding' effect. I would be very dubious about buying cheap springs from GSF or the like as unless you can be sure that it was manufactured by the Original Equipment provider or a specialist manufacturer such as Eibach or Bilstein, you tend to get what you pay for.

yeah but the problem is like ive said the gen mb springs are only a few £s more expensive i learn't this the hard way too :-x

 

[Bolide]

Springs & shocks

Just so you know:

Lowering a car does not "improve the centre of gravity and therefore the roadholding". It reduces the suspension travel and makes the car more likely to bottom out - as the original post pointed out

Also shock absorbers do not "prevent the problems you are experiencing when carrying heavy loads". Shock absorbers damp the motion of the spring - they don't carry the load, the spring does

If you want to lower a car and keep the same load-carrying capacity you either need a stiffer spring (which is what the Eibach probably is) or a rising-rate spring that stiffens more as it is loaded

But, however you modify the car, you will always lose the excellent compromise Mercedes achieve between load carrying, comfort and handling

Roadholding is almost always impaired by stiffer springs. Body roll is normally reduced, and this is often perceived as better roadholding, but if you take two cars with different spring rates and corner them hard - particularly in the wet - the softer car will normally be quicker as it can develop more grip


Nick Froome
http://www.w124.co.uk