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There's a digger on site it wouldn't take more than a couple of hours to scrape back and install.
 

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I am not sure if this is a practical solution for your application but in the absence of floor insulation would underfloor heating be an option...?

I put in a Livella system a year back and it works a treat, easy to install, and you use as much or as little power as you want. Heats pretty quickly too. Can install after pouring or before. I put mine onto timber, for which it is safe, and on the top side was floor levelling compound.

https://livella.com/ I do not work for them or have anything do with them apart from using their product.
 
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Installing a 25mm polystyrene layer of insulation to a floor in a room with no other firm plans to insulate the walls and roof will be a complete waste of time and money, what was needed at design stage was a costed and overall strategy to achieve specific insulation values and energy (Cost) savings, chopping and changing as you blindly move forward is going to plss your builder off and cost you more in the long run, develop a plan and stick to it is my advice! :).
 
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I am not sure if this is a practical solution for your application but in the absence of floor insulation would underfloor heating be an option...?

I put in a Livella system a year back and it works a treat, easy to install, and you use as much or as little power as you want. Heats pretty quickly too. Can install after pouring or before. I put mine onto timber, for which it is safe, and on the top side was floor levelling compound.

https://livella.com/ I do not work for them or have anything do with them apart from using their product.

That was something I had planned with the original build, but was ruled out as we will e drilling into the concrete with installation of the 2 poster and what other machinery takes my fantasy :D
We put down underfloor heating in the conservatory and its lovely out there in the middle of winter :)
 
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Thank you for all the advice and heads up on certain things, I will pass on these suggestions to my builder and see what they come back with.
My builder has just finished his barn conversion plus lined and warmed his car garage which were just open fronted buildings. So far he hasn't had any issues with damp, the garage was do last year. Just lost a little interior space with the added linings on the walls.
Building inspector coming tomorrow, once he's been I contact the builder ;)
 

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Installing a 25mm polystyrene layer of insulation to a floor in a room with no other firm plans to insulate the walls and roof will be a complete waste of time and money, what was needed at design stage was a costed and overall strategy to achieve specific insulation values and energy (Cost) savings, chopping and changing as you blindly move forward is going to plss your builder off and cost you more in the long run, develop a plan and stick to it is my advice! :).


As it stands we have a hole in the ground waiting for concrete this is the time to insulate it and cheaply.

The walls can have their cavities insulated as they are built as the roof, all at a very low cost and little inconvenience it's a garage, not an airplane.

Any builder who finds that a problem should be left brewing tea (at home)

I think I may know what I'm talking about........... just :D
 

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As it stands we have a hole in the ground waiting for concrete this is the time to insulate it and cheaply.

The walls can have their cavities insulated as they are built as the roof, all at a very low cost and little inconvenience it's a garage, not an airplane.

Any builder who finds that a problem should be left brewing tea (at home)

I think I may know what I'm talking about........... just :D
What I'm looking at in photos is two brick laid side by side on footings, I cant see where the insulation is going to go in a mortar gap between two brick?
 
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What I'm looking at in photos is two brick laid side by side on footings, I cant see where the insulation is going to go in a mortar gap between two brick?

I think it would be tight, looking at the base you wouldn't be able to put anything between. I think the walls will be slightly different?
Got the go ahead now for the concrete floor, fingers crossed for Saturday.
 

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What I'm looking at in photos is two brick laid side by side on footings, I cant see where the insulation is going to go in a mortar gap between two brick?

Your right there should be a cavity but a half-inch hangover should coupled with the existing mortar "bridge" cleared be enough to get some foil in.
It isn't perfect but it is where it is.
Another course of brick would easily give the room for some slab insulation, but it's not mine.

I have just seen a house nearby where there is a car lift to drop cars into the basement garage and there's room for around ten cars down there.

I did mention he needed a sump and a pump and got some unhappy looks, it needed some thought for things such as fuel leaks but should have been thought about earlier considering where it is.


There is some serious money being spent on building people's "castles" at the moment people are rethinking their homes.
 

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That was something I had planned with the original build, but was ruled out as we will e drilling into the concrete with installation of the 2 poster and what other machinery takes my fantasy :D
We put down underfloor heating in the conservatory and its lovely out there in the middle of winter :)

We’ve recently moved into a house with underfloor electric heating in the conservatory. Seems to take ages to warm up, up to eight hours. How long does yours take from cold?
 

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Your right there should be a cavity but a half-inch hangover should coupled with the existing mortar "bridge" cleared be enough to get some foil in.
It isn't perfect but it is where it is.
Another course of brick would easily give the room for some slab insulation, but it's not mine.

I have just seen a house nearby where there is a car lift to drop cars into the basement garage and there's room for around ten cars down there.

I did mention he needed a sump and a pump and got some unhappy looks, it needed some thought for things such as fuel leaks but should have been thought about earlier considering where it is.


There is some serious money being spent on building people's "castles" at the moment people are rethinking their homes.
Are you serious? build a cavity wall c270mm wide on a foundation wall c200mm wide? the builder SHOULD be jobless and drinking tea at home giving serious consideration to that free advice :rolleyes:
 

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Are you serious? build a cavity wall c270mm wide on a foundation wall c200mm wide? the builder SHOULD be jobless and drinking tea at home giving serious consideration to that free advice :rolleyes:


Very, it also acts as a drip, get the kettle on, this sort of thing :)


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We’ve recently moved into a house with underfloor electric heating in the conservatory. Seems to take ages to warm up, up to eight hours. How long does yours take from cold?


If it's not very well insulated a relatively low wattage heater will take a long time even with insulation they aren't quick (some 2-3 hours)

As with this garage construction, not insulating gives you an awful big "lump of cold"
Anything cold gets moisture issues first.
 

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If you set the UFH to a few degrees 2 or 3 above ambient it will drive off moisture and keep the machinery better for longer. Cars do not need to be warm like a human, just to be kept above ambient to dry off nicely....
 

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Very, it also acts as a drip, get the kettle on, this sort of thing :)
Well that's very interesting but, a standard brick width in the UK is 92mm not 70mm and a minimum cavity width of 40mm will still create a double overhang of some c25mm that if identified by the building inspector will result in a demolition order! Remember you said "I think I may know what I'm talking about." I think you need to return back to the drawing board :D
 

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Well that's very interesting but, a standard brick width in the UK is 92mm not 70mm and a minimum cavity width of 40mm will still create a double overhang of some c25mm that if identified by the building inspector will result in a demolition order! Remember you said "I think I may know what I'm talking about." I think you need to return back to the drawing board :D


Corbels to that it's a garage.
 
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We’ve recently moved into a house with underfloor electric heating in the conservatory. Seems to take ages to warm up, up to eight hours. How long does yours take from cold?

When we first turned on the heating it took a little while. The secret is to leave it switched on.
Ours was only turned off when the temperature warmed in spring. We have a thermostat so the room keeps at the same temp.
We haven't switched the underfloor heating back on so far as the conservatory get the sun early morning through to the early afternoon so stays warm at the moment. Once we start getting frosts we'll be turning the heating on :)
 
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Our Bungalow isn't insulated, only in the attic with loft insulation. The house is double brick and looking at where the garage was demolished (which was single brick) the house doesn't seem to have a gap between the 2 bricks.
When we had the last heavy winter a few years back our heating broke down, we were 3 weeks without heating (we don't have radiators but under floor vents) and we couldn't get anyone with the knowledge of our system to sort hence 3 weeks wait. We just had the gas fire in the lounge, okay the rest of the house was fairly cold but not as cold as it was outside :D
The original garage didn't have any damp proof or insulation and was noticeably colder in the winter, however it was lovely and warm in the summer. Definaulty no damp in there.
Our last garage extension was single brick, a little cold in winter but didn't show any signs of damp either. Quite a fete in Old Blighty.
My builders have built many houses plus their own houses so hoping they know what they are doing, as when it comes to building or handyman work I am totally at a loss :( I did build a dog kennel once for my Staffy out of 4 x 2 and particle board, when it was finished I couldn't move it :rolleyes: Had to get a couple more Blokes to help lift it into the back of my Chrysler Estate so I could take it to the back yard. The darn Staffy could still drag the kennel from its resting place. :shock:
My second building attempt was a shelter for my goat, another abortion by me, the stupid goat only used it to stand on to get the Figs off the trees........until the shelter collapsed :oops:
I can build cars though, no trouble at all :)
 

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Brick are very waterproof compared to blocks which are porous. from memory brick is around 50 newton strength wise and blocks are only about 10-15 newton. It would take some spell of wet weather to soak through on brick never mind two, the mortar joint would be the most absorbent part of the build but you'd never see rain water penetrate a mortar joint two brick thick. I would say with the quality floor you are laying and double brick walls the only place you will lose substantial heat will be through the roof. Is it a flat or pitched roof 00slk?
 

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Just looking at your house 00slk it seem the extension adjoining the garage is solid build (With the blue doors)looking at the brickwork formation but you main part or original part looks to be cavity by the brickwork so you could probably get it pumped for insulation. Your builder will confirm this or not.
 


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