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I have seen the Climate Change experts in action. After a talk to a selected audience from the steel industry (melting the metal generates lots of CO2), one member of the audience said that to meet the Government's declared targets for CO2 production, they would need to cease trading.

Without a pause for thought the speaker said, "Well, if that's what it takes ........"

Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do Luke 23:34
 
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Cars generate so many C02's in a year in London and yet Heathrow airport generates the same amount of pollution in 4 hours.

Ban the planes.

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UK PLC can't stop global warming by reducing carbon emissions on our own :-(

I will pay more when I see truly coordinated action, whilst countries and companies can trade emissions then nothing will really change.

What we are currently seeing, is thinly disguised increased taxation, in the name of the 'environment'
 

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Yes i've often wondered how charging a levy on a highly polluting vehicle or industry will in any logical way help to rebalance or redress the damage caused...or did I miss school that day
 
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We seem to be seeing 'road pricing' coming up more and more often. It's all well and good saying that it'll never happen but I am starting to fear the worst.

Personally, I enjoy bucking the trend and am enjoying my first MB hugely :)

"Mr Brown, Mr Darling - you can have my CLK55, when you pry it from my cold dead fingers..."
 

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Its all very well blaming exhaust emissions for damaging the ozone layer and having a large effect on our climate, but I am pretty certain that most modern vehicles leave the factory from new equipped with an air conditioning system. Yet, no one cares to worry about the amount of R134a gasses that escape from our mobile fridges damaging the climate. It all seems a little focused on punishng the motorist and taxation to increase revenue not care for the planet we are rapidly turning into a toilet for one reason or another.
 

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Bull****

The biggest polluter in the UK is HM Government PLC SPEWING BULLSH#T FROM EVERY ORIFICE and suffocating us all in the mire.

A peoples revolt is what we need right now, in other words a ****** revolution to rid the country of all its parasites .
Theres more MP's and local councillors with there snouts in the trough than the pigs on my local farm.

If the thought Police are reading this then be warned it's coming and soon.


And just to prove my point just seen this ,they are beginning to run scared
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20091013/tuk-white-working-class-feel-excluded-6323e80.html
 
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Firstly and most importantly - Increasing transportation costs decreases national progress. Everything we buy is transported to the shops by road (you know the important things like bread, milk etc) Every time fuel prices/ road tax increaes, you will see a direct rise in the price of a loaf of bread.

When basic essentials cost more, people have less money to spend, thus businesses close, industry declines. Running businesses in the UK cost too much and so move to other countries. We make nothing, we have no industry, we export nothing, we are already doomed and yet they want to accellerate the process.

Some countries manage with very few cars (Singapore?) but then they have amazing reliable public transport systems. In this country I can drive to work in 35 mins, or if I used public transport, after 5 changes, I could get to work in just under 4 hours providing everything was running on time.

Developing counties are constantly increasing their use of transport (vans, cars etc) yet no one gives them a hard time.


Secondly - It the entire UK ceased to exist tomorrow, then on a global scale, nothing would have changed. CO2 levels would be unchanged. The ammount we produce in the UK compared with the rest of the would (or compared to only China or the USA even!) is negligible ..... yet in this country they tell us that if we leave or TV on standby for 6 hours, or if we drive to the shops down the road instead of walking, the temperature will change by 80degrees, the polar ice caps will melt and the sea level will rise 400foot :p
 

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UK PLC can't stop global warming by reducing carbon emissions on our own :-(

I will pay more when I see truly coordinated action, whilst countries and companies can trade emissions then nothing will really change.

What we are currently seeing, is thinly disguised increased taxation, in the name of the 'environment'

As I understand it 98.5% of the worlds Co2 is produced by the earths itself.

Think of the "Ring of Fire" spewing out millions of tons of "pollution" per day or the Manchurian anthracite fields that have been on fire for a 100 years and who's smoke can be seen from space. Black "smokers" in the depth of the oceans etc, etc.

The "Environment" is an excuse to raise monies and employ "Environments Studies" graduates from third class learning places aka (alleged) universities.

I can give an example of the sheer stupidity of the Environment Agency, but, it may upset some readers.
 
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As I understand it 98.5% of the worlds Co2 is produced by the earths itself.

Think of the "Ring of Fire" spewing out millions of tons of "pollution" per day or the Manchurian anthracite fields that have been on fire for a 100 years and who's smoke can be seen from space. Black "smokers" in the depth of the oceans etc, etc.

The "Environment" is an excuse to raise monies and employ "Environments Studies" graduates from third class learning places aka (alleged) universities.

I can give an example of the sheer stupidity of the Environment Agency, but, it may upset some readers.

I think you post it here for us all to read.
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Motoring was always exclusive to the wealthy when it first began. Our Great Leader "the Lord of the Flies" knows that any taxes put on the ordinary law abiding motorist will be paid. Various excuses are made as to why we need to increase the cost of motoring. Personally I am delighted to pay road tax because I can usually drive more than 100 yards before there is a pothole or large crack or lump in the road. I can only imagine how bad the roads would be if there was no tax. The cost of Petrol is extortionate yet the Press say it has gone down compared to last years peak. The cost of crude dropped to last years levels so why not the cost of fuel ? Here in sunny Norfolk the Public transport system is not too bad but a lot of villages simply dont have any. My last home was in a village where there was a bus once in the morning and again in the evening so having a car is vital. Anyway I will stop moaning now and have breakfast. Barry
 
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Robertjrt is correct - the vast majority of CO/2 in our atmosphere is produced by the planet itself and not by humans (we account for 0.09% of all CO/2 on Earth). The worst 'offender' is our oceans... Always has been and always will be...

CO/2 has been vilified over the past few years as a pollutant and destroyer of our climate but actually, it's just a naturally forming gas.

I can't remember the exact figure off the top of my head now but I recall that over geological time, the Earth has been completely Ice free for more than 75% of it's history - no Polar ice caps, no icebergs, nada... The Polar bears will be fine :)

It was only 25-30 years ago that scientists were banging on about 'global cooling' and that we were going to have to figure out someway of warming the planet up or we'd all freeze - anyone remember the scaremongering about a 'snowball Earth'?

These things go in cycles and it was common knowledge a few years ago that we were coming out of a mini ice-age - wouldn't that explain a slight warming of the global temperatures?
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how these environmental lobbies manage to completely ignore the economic realities in life.

Instead of suggesting that drivers are the cause, which is blatently untrue (what little industry there is in the UK produces far more CO2 than cars) they should concentrate more on how to improve the situation by offering people an alternative, which alas there isn't in this country, to personal transport.

I had an interesting discussion the other day with an avid cyclist and environment defender the other day. He accused me personally of causing global warming due to the amount of fossil fuels burned by my car each week.

He claimed that his lifestyle had a nil impact on the environment. So I took great glee in pointing out to him that 98% of what he was wearing was produced from fossil fuels (polyester, nylon, gore-tex, cycle helmet), that his cycle lamp batteries polluted the ground with heavy metals, indeed any man made fibre at home was due to fossil fuels and what was more was that the fuel that the CO2 from my car exhaust would at least stand a chance of degrading unlike all that plastic.

On the other hand, as pointed out what about nature - Etna on Sicily was emitting an estimated 70,000 tons of SO2 per day on its last eruption! - and that if the Romans had vineyards as far north as York then perhaps it was a lot warmer then than it is now - ergo we've gone through a period of cooling, unless of course the romand caused global warming by burning christians :)
 

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