Jeremy Corbyn.

[JBell]

Alfie you tend to have a distinct dislike of anything labour, you pick up on the same stuff that is being pumped out day and daily by the Tory press and their followers. I would say if you dig deep enough you will find much more severe rot within the tories.
John McDonnell is part of the labour movement, just like Boris Johnston is part of the Tory party, do you honestly think that either of these two could have major influence even if they were in positions of power.
McDonnell's socialist views are not to bring this country to its knees, but to bring prosperity to the people who live in this country, what is wrong with that.. I'll tell you what is wrong with it, If people were talking about it, the Tories would never be back in power.
Do you honestly believe that Jeremy Corbyn hates this country and wishes to destroy it. His destruction policy is only concerned with destroying the hold that a very few have over the lives of millions of the people of this country. what is wrong with wanting a better life for all of our people.. OH I'll tell you what is wrong with it. If all of the people of this country had access to a decent job and the means of making a better life for themselves, the Tories would never get back into power. That is why it cannot happen. That is why it cannot be allowed to happen.
I know lots of you guys have done all right in your lives, why should you now want to keep down and make light of those who have no chance of ever getting a decent chance to make it good.
No doubt the Tories will tell you that their way of doing it is how people will be able to get jobs and make life better for themselves. Keep them in poverty and make them work for peanuts, give them a living wage but let the bosses decide how many hours they are needed and keep them in poverty. There is always a sting in the tail of Tory policies that set out to help the poor and needy.
Do you really believe that the best thing for this country is a party that is steeped in the city, and big business, is the best way forward for the country, or is going to be working to make better the lives of the workers who happen to be keeping the country going, whilst they are lying back and reaping the benefits.
Corbyn is liked because he is genuine and cares. There is no way you can fake that and get away with it.

The trouble with Socialism is they always run out of other peoples money.

So lets look at living wages (as an example of a Labour policy), Labour want to put the hourly wage to £10, so what will happen then??? Simple really, the price of everything goes up to pay the new hourly wage so will anyone actually be better off - NO.

They will abolish Uni fees so wrote the policy as if they would write off all existing Student debt, untrue, Corbyn was collared on it and started mumbling.

The fact it is called a "movement" shows hoe antiquated it is, this is 2017 NOT 1972.

Tax and spend is the only policy they really have and it will hit EVERYONE, if they get in the first thing will be an emergency budget to put fuel up (who does that hurt - oh yes the poor) and a raid on pensions.

The biggest problem in this country is the culture of entitlement brought on by 12 years of Labour under Blair and Brown.

We will continue to go round in circles for ever like this

 

[Frontstep]

That circle stops with the unfortunate truth that the Conservatives always borrow more and save less when in power.

I should I suppose be a natural Tory voter but they don't do it for me on a purely fiscal view.

Still waiting in the wings is Jeremy and Dianne ........... and people think Brexit is our biggest problem.

As an aside I see politics that suit are still being experimented with !

 

[JBell]

That circle stops with the unfortunate truth that the Conservatives always borrow more and save less when in power

It is impossible to save less than Labour!!!!!

 

[Naraic]

Ah yes, the living wage...Ec101...supply and demand...no one will be better off beyond the first couple of months, if that.

 

[Frontstep]

It is impossible to save less than Labour!!!!!

The Conservatives regularly manage it :

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...tives-have-out-borrowed-labour-for-a-century/

 

[JBell]

The Conservatives regularly manage it :

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...tives-have-out-borrowed-labour-for-a-century/

I mentioned Saving NOT borrowing.

 

[JBell]

Ah yes, the living wage...Ec101...supply and demand...no one will be better off beyond the first couple of days, if that.

Corrected that for you

 

[Alfie]

[QUOTE="Xtractorfan, post: 1571068, member: 21852"
Corbyn is liked because he is genuine and cares. There is no way you can fake that and get away with it.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but I think you have completely mis understood the Corbyn situation. Corbyn is NOT genuine at all. the one thing you got right in your post is that yes I do dislike Corbyn intensely.

You have made that age-old mistake of assuming because I dislike Corbyn I must be a Tory.

The left always blame the tory press. Yawn.

The fact is and you cannot hide from it, Mcdonnel is a commited Marxist. he has said so. Corbyn is the same. Their version of socialism has failed the world over and caused the deaths of millions.
Capitalism for all its faults does work for the vast majority. Socialism works for very very few and leaves great swathes of the population far worse off.

The proven path out of poverty is employment and as much as I dislike the current PM the Tories have put more people to work and reduced unemployment to record levels.

Corbyn is a power hungry maniac along with Mcdonnel they are the most damaging people ever seen in politics. He calls Hexbollah and Hamas friends. He met with the IRA (but not the unionists), he suppresses complaints/questions about child abuse (Rotherham, Oxford etc). He rules by intimidation. Just look at the latest claims about a female alledging rape? Momentum are pushing out any moderates. Thank goodness even deluding the youth wasnt enough to put them in power.

As for popularity he only has this amongst his own momentum buddies. Many labour voters are defecting because of him. and, what about the vote of no-confidence that he lost? If he was so popular then why did he still lose the election on a level matched by Milliband and Brown? Even with May handing it on a plate and his deception and lies he couldnt manage a win.

Corbyn isnt very bright and is incapable of leading the country on any stage or platform.

 

[Naraic]

But...Corbyn will win next time.

 

[JBell]

But...Corbyn will win next time.

Just watch businesses flee the country if that happens

 

[Frontstep]

I mentioned Saving NOT borrowing.

The article if you read it, identifies that Labour saved more;

"The biggest difference is that when Labour saved it really saved: the Conservatives did so only marginally"

Still I'm sure Jeremy will put a spoke in that wheel.

 

[JBell]

The article if you read it, identifies that Labour saved more;

"The biggest difference is that when Labour saved it really saved: the Conservatives did so only marginally"

Still I'm sure Jeremy will put a spoke in that wheel.

The key word in that sentence is "when".

Jeremy will have no hope of saving as his policies are so expensive the tax rises to cover them will be staggering

 

[Frontstep]

Yes I'm sure Jeremy would I'm sure put a spoke in Labours quite amazing history.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Remember, remember, the last election.... and the pundits, all of them to a man and woman, who had written Jeremy off, and said he was the destruction and demise of the labour party. and that the labour party would be in the doldrums for the next 15 years. How they all ate their words, and few, if any, will say anything retrograde about Jeremy, well in public anyhow, just in case they get it soo wrong again.
You can argue about his politics, but there is a massive groundswell of opinon who support him because they can see he is the only one who cares about the underclasses.
You can quote the marxist and leninist policies but, who do you think is pushing those policies, The only people who speak of them is the Tories, because they have all been brought up on the premise that if you say something long enough and often enough people will believe it.
The big problem with that is that yes older people like u Alfie will believe it because you've heard it so often it must be true. Remember Cameron and the Treasury note. 'There is no money left' He knew the truth of it. but I bet you still believe it Alfie, because you wont take the time to check out the real story.
Do you honestly believe that we will end up a Marxist Communist state if labour comes to power.
We have much more to fear from Mayhem and her lot staying in power. Their brand of communism is much more severe than any Marxist or leninist.
As for more people employed. Yes because if you are unemployed for more than 13 weeks you are then sent out to work on schemes that prepare you for 'real work' and are taken off the unemployment register.. You are then offered Zero hour contracts which if you refuse leaves you without money and any means of surviving....
Can't you see how they fiddle the figures.
This is the only way that the government can create jobs.
Anyone who thinks that the Government has created millions of jobs needs to ask themselves how do governments create jobs.. they dont... but they can create figures that make it look like ppl are in work by giving them part time jobs and paying them peanuts.
Well actually since Brexit they have created thousands of civil service jobs which is costing us £1million per day.

 

[AMGeed]

^ You are PWR in disguise and I claim my £25. Only he kept banging the same drum.

I always have a wry smile now every time you reply to a post denouncing your hero telling us like a broken record we are only reading Tory propaganda.
You do have a point in stating Corbyn's Labour party shocked the Tories last election. They thought it would be a walkover (I did too) but got an almightly shock at how close it was.
But.......in 4 years time when the next election is due, I wonder how many of those students who were duped on an empty promise will vote for them again? They won't get fooled again.
Remember,the Tory election campaign was a disaster and who still failed to win?

You would have to be certified to think Labour's economic promises stand up. They cannot promise what the country cannot afford unless Ms Abbott is going to be Chancellor. From what I've read he likes the Venezuela economic policy.


This is the man you'd have as the next PM?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-a-venezuela-problem/?utm_term=.2a6caa562580

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...chard-burgon-us-ken-livingstone-a7875451.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/863679/jeremy-corbyn-Venezuela-socialism-nicolas-maduro

 

[Frontstep]

Corbyn does at least address the inequalities in Society, when I look up and down at peoples financial positions I am constantly amazed how the populace generally puts up with it.
I don't think his numbers add up and I find him duplicitous but no one else is even trying.
A politician who looks to share the cake more fairly should always get an audience.

How the Conservatives have achieved a reputation for fiscal competence is beyond me,
but between Ms May and Corbyn she gets my reluctant vote.
If things stay on course (Brexit) and we emerge blinking into a new era for Britain we need a strong leader able to command the worlds stages, neither of them have the necessary gravitas.
If we do find one will they do as Blair did, revel in the world and forget the people at home ?

 

[JBell]

You can argue about his politics, but there is a massive groundswell of opinon who support him because they can see he is the only one who cares about the underclasses.

So he says from his £1m house, £100k salary and sends his son to private school, really smacks of someone who relates to "the people"!!!!!

Someone that says he doesn't want to be a "career politician" yet he is exactly that, more nonsense telling people what they want to hear.

You can quote the marxist and leninist policies but, who do you think is pushing those policies, The only people who speak of them is the Tories, because they have all been brought up on the premise that if you say something long enough and often enough people will believe it.

McDonnel frequently mentions Marxism, he did it at the Labour conference.

As for more people employed. Yes because if you are unemployed for more than 13 weeks you are then sent out to work on schemes that prepare you for 'real work' and are taken off the unemployment register.. You are then offered Zero hour contracts which if you refuse leaves you without money and any means of surviving....

Labour are continually going about Zero hour contracts yet they brought them in!!! Many people like them as it gives them the freedom to work when they want, I loved it.

Well actually since Brexit they have created thousands of civil service jobs which is costing us £1million per day.

Nothing compared to the last Labour govt who created "non" jobs just to artificially bring unemployment down, but this is what socialism does, everyone works for the state and those that don't get taxed to death to pay for it and if that is not enough they borrow the rest.

 

[Yugguy]

"The big problem with that is that yes older people like u Alfie will believe it because you've heard it so often it must be true."

How incredibly patronising. And you wonder why we dismiss people like you. As you get older your listeningtoshite tolerance diminishes rapidly.

 

[Frontstep]

A million pound house in London is hardly the stuff of dreams.
£100,000 salary won't set the capital alight either.
Corbyn has at least been "interviewed" by millions for his job.

I wasn't convinced but many are mainly because no other party leader gets close to dealing with your average Joe & Joanna's lives.

 

[Yugguy]

Corbyn looks like most of his voters. Scruffy.