Misfuel then two stroke

[S.Speed]

Carl..
I have used this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castrol-SAE...8&qid=1403586819&sr=1-8&keywords=2+stroke+oil

but I recently ordered 5 litres of this below:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003BPP4KM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or what about this

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_220309_langId_-1_categoryId_255223

I haven't had chance to use it because I don't have my car this month !!
If you do order a 5 litre can, I suggest you keep the small 1 litre bottle and dispense into it for 2 reasons
1. It fits in the well in the boot
2. You get a spout on the bottle which means it will dispense into your filler neck without slopping down the side of the car.

 

[gizze]

I use this, this is a low ash mineral oil.

£2.35 in Shell garages for 1/2 litre.

http://www.carlube.co.uk/2-stroke-oil/carlube-2-stroke-motorcycle-oil



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[C350Carl]

I use this, this is a low ash mineral oil.

£2.35 in Shell garages for 1/2 litre.

http://www.carlube.co.uk/2-stroke-oil/carlube-2-stroke-motorcycle-oil



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I need FC rated oil though.

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[gizze]

I think it being low ash is far more important than slightly more detergents, the FB ratings is plenty good enough, and the fact it is a mineral low ash makes it ideal.

I used it in my E350cdi with great results.

 

[V6Matty]

i use the stuff from b&q for my chainsaw, thats been running for over 400 hours without a problem as expect it will be fine in my old smoker

 

[S.Speed]

i use the stuff from b&q for my chainsaw, thats been running for over 400 hours without a problem as expect it will be fine in my old smoker

You could put it in your car as well:grin:
At least you have a car !!!

 

[V6Matty]

You could put it in your car as well:grin:
At least you have a car !!!

i have been, seems to be doing ok so far, although will be really interesting to see what happens after the Terraclean on friday

you will have your baby back soon Simon, just think at least their footing the bill rather than you. just got mine back from having the AC serviced and they have found a fair few problems will be £1600 to put it all right

 

[C350Carl]

I thought the ratings were to do with the ash content, FC being lower than FB

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[gizze]

No, that is to do with the detergents.

 

[S.Speed]

i have been, seems to be doing ok so far, although will be really interesting to see what happens after the Terraclean on friday

you will have your baby back soon Simon, just think at least their footing the bill rather than you. just got mine back from having the AC serviced and they have found a fair few problems will be £1600 to put it all right

OMG Matt..
What have they found wrong with your car ?

 

[Scoob]

Hey all,

Adding cheap Halfords Mineral 2-Stroke oil in my old Focus made a staggering difference to the car. Improved Eco (measured), quieter on idle (not just me noticing it) as well as the car feeling more responsive. There was also a reduction in smoke - remarked on by the MoT chap more than once. Several friends of mine have tried it in a variety of marques of car and all have been very pleased with the results.

However, now I have a DPF equipped car I'm a little more cautious. "Low Ash" 2-Stroke oil that adheres to the "JASO FC" standard can have up to twenty times the Ash content of the fuel - it is NOT lower ash than modern diesel fuel. Now, many 2-Stroke oils are well below the permissible ash levels, some are nearer twice the content, so very low, but rarely is this information shown anywhere. I only found ONE 2-Stroke oil that listed this, and I was unable to source it in the UK.

Ok, so, when adding 2-Stroke Oil we're only talking about a 200:1 ratio with the fuel, so not much. Plus the car will get additional ash anyway from any engine oil burnt - cars use oil to greater or lesser amounts. My Focus didn't use much, my mates BMW used near a litre every 1000 miles! So, in the scheme of things we're likely not adding that much & more ash.

The key thing here is ASH - soot can be burnt off by a DPF, indeed, that's it's job - however ASH cannot. If the Ash gets into the DPF it's there for good - well, until properly cleaned one imagines. I haven't got links (sorry, it was some time ago) but I read several articles showing the build up of Ash in DPF's when "low ash" (actually quite HIGH Ash as potentially 20x the amount in fuel!) 2-Stroke was added. Tests were performed over time and showed premature DPF failure on the treated car. Again, sorry I don't have a link. Some test I read showed DPF "failing" at several hundred thousand k - so, likely long after the usual lifetime of a car anyway. Others, the ones that worried me, showed problems after just 75k - a much more realistic mileage for me to hit.

As I KNOW adding 2-Stroke to a non-DPF equipped Diesel is nothing short of miraculous - my Focus loved the stuff - I wanted to find a viable alternative that was certified as DPF safe. As a result, I settled on the Millers ECOMAX additive. From what I've read it's largely 2-Stroke oil plus some other additives, but it's VERY low ash so perfectly safe for DPF equipped cars.

Currently I'm not driving that much, so haven't really noticed much of a difference with the stuff added. However, my friend, who as a 2012 E350 CDI, and does a LOT more miles than me has been literally raving about the stuff. He's seeing a good 2-5mpg improvement on prior journeys plus he thinks the car is a little more responsive than before. This is quite funny to me as he was so very skeptical when I told him about the benefits of 2-Stroke oil initially.

Anyway, in summary, my view is that 2-Stroke oil is GREAT in an older, non-DPF equipped car, no doubt what so ever there. However, with newer DPF equipped cars, the ambiguity regarding the exact amount of ash present concerned me, hence my looking for an alternative product.

Final word. I would LOVE to be able to put normal 2-Stroke oil in my Merc with confidence. However, the reading I've done scared me off a little. I would however LOVE to hear an argument that convinces me it's safe - along with an EXACT 2-Stroke product that lists its Ash content.

Cheers,

Scoob.

 

[gizze]

Oh my lord, someone is going to have a heart attack on this thread!!!!

 

[V6Matty]

OMG Matt..
What have they found wrong with your car ?

take a look at this thread Simon, all will come clear lol, sat today wondering what to get sorted
http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?t=133990

 

[C350Carl]

Oh my lord, someone is going to have a heart attack on this thread!!!!

Now that I've just recovered from my heart attack.


This was part of the reason for not sticking it in my car due to the DPF.

Think I will just stick with ultimate diesel from the pump and leave it at that.

It's been an interesting discussion in places but as I'm yet to be convinced then I think I shall just stick to what I'm happy with.

 

[Big Mart]

Hi all,

As one of the forum posters cross posted from very early on in this thread I have an update for us all,

I have been using 2 stroke for 6 years now in a very mixed fleet.
non DPF /
focus TDCI
Escort diesel
L200 Mitsi
Range rover sport TDV6
Audi A4 2.0TDI (06)
and DPF
Jaguar Xf 3.0 TDV6
Audi A4 2.0TDI (09)
Mercedes CLS (X218) CLS350 CDI

Every experience has been positive.
The (06) audi A4 had an EGR failure , drive linkage failed and when stripped down the EGR valve was spotless , looked like it had been on for 20 miles , not 80k.
All cars had smoke improvements , NVH improvements and more miles per tank.
The CLS is delivering around 60 miles more per tank with it.

For DPF equipped cars i use JASO FD rated oil.

I understand the desire to see scientific evidence that your car wont explode with a sniff of 2 stroke , there was a study in Europe somehwere where they looked at it for a council fleet. We arent adding enough volume to alter the viscosity of the fuel so filters, pumps and pipes are fine.

I will continue to use it in our cars , the mileage improvements more than justify the cost and the running improvements are a bonus.

to all the sceptics , i respect your caution.
My experience has always been positive with it.

Just my 2p

thanks,
Mart

 

[C350Carl]

Mart

Isn't the JASO FD oil fully synthetic though? I was under the impression that you had to use mineral oil so that it mixed (emulsion process happened) correctly.

Carl

 

[Big Mart]

I have read conflicting suggestions on this but I use an FD oil which
I beleive is mineral FD .. (mineral base oil i would expect).

It is a husqvarna two stroke for chainsaws and things.

After 40k miles in the Jag xf I had no problems and experienced a DPF regen every 6 or 700 miles so appeared to work ok.

I looked for an FD oil as the FD is much lower ash than the FC and ash doesnt burn off in the DPF IIRC.

If anyone is interested ~I can find the link to where I buy mine from.

Mart

 

[C350Carl]

I'd be interested as I can't find any FD mineral oil online or in shops. They all say it's synthetic.

 

[Big Mart]

Hi Carl

http://www.abbeypro.co.uk/subprod/oils-and-lubricant-0003094.aspx

the stuff I use is the 50/1 stuff in the white bottles.

I found the spec sheet it is a mineral base oil with synthetic additiives.

By the very nature of the additives they will be synthetic.

seems to be a good price here.. I usually buy 2 x 10 litres at a time , lasts me around 14 months
Hope this helps
Mart

 

[C350Carl]

Well, to resurrect an old thread and "come clean"

After all my previous ramblings I decided to "risk it" and try the 2T oil in the car.

I did loads of research as to which oil would be safe. The product I found that I was happy wouldn't knacker the DPF was this:

So i bought 2 bottles of it at Halfrauds and have been using 250ml of it in every tank of fuel. I bought two bottles as I wanted to give it a fair chance.

I have done precisely 3747miles so far using it and have one shot of it left for the next fill. I can hand on heart say it's made absolutely no difference at all in my car. Which is not a bad thing.

I have purposely been logging the car with DashCommand and I'm happy to say there was no detectable difference in using or not using. There has also been no difference in mpg as some journeys I get 48mpg on long runs and others like today I got 42mpg on a 260mile run. That's calculated from fuel in vs miles out not on the dash. These variations are, in my mind, down to traffic and ambient temperature differences. I'm still getting around 650 miles to a tank on pure long runs and about 400 round town. According to my RoadTrip app I'm averaging 535miles to a tank overall.

I also did not detect any difference in noise. It's been quite cold here recently too and will be interesting to see if when I run out if the car starts to sound like more of a tractor on start up. If it does I will start using it again.

So I'm happy to report it didn't fook my car, DPF, engine up. But I haven't seen any difference in terms of a benefit either. I shall report back if I suddenly end up with a Mercedes John Deere when I stop using it.

Carl.