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And it is a £400,000,000 eye sore.

How the accountants got that so wrong is beyond me :confused: , i am sure the £360,000,000 overspend could have went to a better use especially when you see the state of some of the schools and how poorly equipped they are.

Kenny

Agree it is an ugly building but so is the MP's new building next to Parliament, Portcullis House, that cost £235m but the real killer is the cost of renovations for the Palace itself

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33184160
 

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what is the cost of repairing the Palace of Malice, its already into the billions something the Scots, Welsh, Irish, and the English all get to pay for.

Should all pay as they all use it!!!!
 

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I don't need to, your argument is a biased and inaccurate construct... as usual

Mine answered your specific points and was taken from primary data... no bias in it. I just presented the data. What did you do?
 

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PR's right - a much better solution would be to run the UK government out of a few portacabins on Skegness beach. Catering provided by the local burger vans. They can get changed in the beach huts when they have to put their ceremonial wigs on.
 

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PR's right - a much better solution would be to run the UK government out of a few portacabins on Skegness beach. Catering provided by the local burger vans. They can get changed in the beach huts when they have to put their ceremonial wigs on.

Those are for judges ;)
 

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PR's right - a much better solution would be to run the UK government out of a few portacabins on Skegness beach. Catering provided by the local burger vans. They can get changed in the beach huts when they have to put their ceremonial wigs on.
Don't forget the doughnuts. Good doughnuts in Skeggy. Might need to donkey proof the portacabins though.
 

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Mine answered your specific points and was taken from primary data... no bias in it. I just presented the data. What did you do?

you conjured them up without any sources given
 

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PR's right - a much better solution would be to run the UK government out of a few portacabins on Skegness beach. Catering provided by the local burger vans. They can get changed in the beach huts when they have to put their ceremonial wigs on.

I think that a campus style new build somewhere in the Midlands with good road and rail access makes the most sense especially as accommodation could be provided too. This would avoid the flipping and fiddling and take them away from the fleshpots of the West End. They'd be easier to protect and harder to corrupt too.
 

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So much for made up. But, unlike you, I was helpful enough to dig out the relevant data.

The entire island hasn't been self sufficient in food since the mid- late 19th century.

http://www.ifr.ac.uk/waste/Reports/RuSource_foodsecurity.pdf

I'd be really interested to see your data on that. Mine says (nett):

Farming: £700m
Aquaculture: £434m

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0045/00452341.pdf

That works out to £214 per head of population per annum. That includes subsidies. Without them, every farm averaged a nett £16k loss per annum.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0045/00452341.pdf

Cut another way:

6.6m sheep.
1.8m cattle.
0.31m pigs.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0045/00452341.pdf

Allowing for 1.3 animals per annum turnover and 25/ 250/ 150kg per animal of meat produce, that works out to 159kg per head of population per annum or 434g per day. On that score they are about self sufficient.

On timber, at today's prices the 15,000 km^2 could nett £5.4bn if it was all cultivated. £360k per km^2. https://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/fcfs205.pdf/$FILE/fcfs205.pdf

So that's £1100 per head they have...

I'll add some more figures. Same sources as above.

Scotland has 340k hectares of barley, 87k hectares of wheat, 34k hectares of oilseed rape, 32k hectares of oats and 29k hectares of potatoes under active cultivation. These can produce (being generous):

Barley (2 crops): 2.4 tons/ hectare = 0.82M tons p.a.
Wheat: 3.2 tons/ hectare = 0.28M tons p.a.
Oats: 3.5 tons/ hectare = 0.11M tons p.a.
Spuds: 10.1 tons/ hectare = 0.29M tons/ p.a.
Rapeseed oil: 1190l/ hectare = 40.5M litres p.a.

For consumption these equal:

Barley: 424g/ day
Wheat: 145g/day
Oats: 57g/day
Spuds: 150g/day
Rapeseed oil: 21ml/ day

Or on the open market:

Barley (2 crops): 2.4 tons/ hectare = 0.82M tons p.a. = £176M
Wheat: 3.2 tons/ hectare = 0.28M tons p.a. = £37M
Oats: 3.5 tons/ hectare = 0.11M tons p.a. = £33M
Spuds: 10.1 tons/ hectare = 0.29M tons/ p.a. = £86M
Rapeseed oil: 1190l/ hectare = 40.5M litres p.a. = £46M

So £71 per head of population per year on the open market.
 
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Given all the changes in progress this year isn't it time to move parliament into Theresa's "brave new world" and locate them somewhere central - for example they could create a superb purpose built parliament building and apartments just off the the M6 near Brum for a small fraction of the repair costs we are going to pay for the palace. Not only would that be convenient for road connections but it might provide some small justification for the High Speed Rail indulgence that we are also paying for!

And we would still own the palace so it could be turned into a museum and earn its keep!
 

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A letter requesting a 2nd referendum has been sent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39449459

I can see more of this attention seeking nonsense over the next few years.

May writes a letter to the EU. Sturgeon writes a letter to May.

May goes to the EU for talks. Sturgeon 'flies out' for talks.

It's slightly creepy. Stalker-ish and a bit juvenile. 'Anything she can do so can I'

She's been told no. She should be ignored.

Scotland has 340k hectares of barley, 87k hectares of wheat, 34k hectares of oilseed rape, 32k hectares of oats and 29k hectares of potatoes under active cultivation.

We could have the lot in a warehouse in Hemel Hempstead, in a heartbeat, and back in time for tea and medals :lol:
 
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Or put another way, Scotland's agriculture can provide the following diet per head per diem:

150g potato product
180g bread
430g meat/ fish product
 

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Given all the changes in progress this year isn't it time to move parliament into Theresa's "brave new world" and locate them somewhere central - for example they could create a superb purpose built parliament building and apartments just off the the M6 near Brum for a small fraction of the repair costs we are going to pay for the palace. Not only would that be convenient for road connections but it might provide some small justification for the High Speed Rail indulgence that we are also paying for!

And we would still own the palace so it could be turned into a museum and earn its keep!

Yes they could do all of that. And Brum would be a good location for it. But, the thing is, London in its own right is a centre of POWER. A genuine, real one. Washington, D.C. is also. Rome too, surprisingly. Not all capitals are. In that sense, London is important just because it is what it is. It has developed the clubs, restaurants, Government agencies and everything else that visiting Ministers of foreign governments both want and expect. That has an importance all of its own.
 

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Yes they could do all of that. And Brum would be a good location for it. But, the thing is, London in its own right is a centre of POWER. A genuine, real one. Washington, D.C. is also. Rome too, surprisingly. Not all capitals are. In that sense, London is important just because it is what it is. It has developed the clubs, restaurants, Government agencies and everything else that visiting Ministers of foreign governments both want and expect. That has an importance all of its own.

Also its a building of huge significance, and probably listed,so it has to be maintained anyway. Converting it into a museum would also cost.
 

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