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Also its a building of huge significance, and probably listed,so it has to be maintained anyway. Converting it into a museum would also cost.

It would cost but you could charge an entrance fee. In the longer term its going to flood so might a strategic withdrawal be a better option. Westminster Hall is the only real historical bit, the bulk of it is Victorian Gothic, as for significance its the place that delayed full democracy until 1928, so a very mixed heritage IMHO.
 

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It would cost but you could charge an entrance fee. In the longer term its going to flood so might a strategic withdrawal be a better option. Westminster Hall is the only real historical bit, the bulk of it is Victorian Gothic, as for significance its the place that delayed full democracy until 1928, so a very mixed heritage IMHO.

It's going to flood? That's with the rising sea levels is it?
 

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It would cost but you could charge an entrance fee. In the longer term its going to flood so might a strategic withdrawal be a better option. Westminster Hall is the only real historical bit, the bulk of it is Victorian Gothic, as for significance its the place that delayed full democracy until 1928, so a very mixed heritage IMHO.

I wonder where we are in the league table for progress in full democracy though?
 

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I wonder where we are in the league table for progress in full democracy though?

not great because of the first past the post system but more importantly because of the huge inequalities in wealth we have in the UK
 

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not great because of the first past the post system but more importantly because of the huge inequalities in wealth we have in the UK

I was referring to votes for all adults? There are inequalities in wealth and opportunity worldwide.
 

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not great because of the first past the post system but more importantly because of the huge inequalities in wealth we have in the UK

Yeah, we're just terrible. Let's put some analysis onto your opinion.

https://infographics.economist.com/2017/DemocracyIndex/

This year we scored 8.36/10.
Sweden was one of the highest at 9.39.
Australia 9.01.
Canada 9.16.

Have you ever been to Central Africa, India, the US, Eastern Europe..?
 

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Yeah, we're just terrible. Let's put some analysis onto your opinion.

https://infographics.economist.com/2017/DemocracyIndex/

This year we scored 8.36/10.
Sweden was one of the highest at 9.39.
Australia 9.01.
Canada 9.16.

Have you ever been to Central Africa, India, the US, Eastern Europe..?

Disinformation running wild again, we're talking about the break up of the UK and how the failure of regional policy as the root cause

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37341095
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk
https://www.ft.com/content/fc4a3980-e86f-11e6-967b-c88452263daf
 

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No, the question specifically was about how we as a democracy compare. You're good at answering questions other than what was posed.

you need to read it again, my comment was about inequality here
 

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I wonder where we are in the league table for progress in full democracy though?

This was the question. Nothing about inequality. You invented that bit in your reply to it.
 
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This was the question. Nothing about inequality. You invented that bit in your reply to it.

try as you might you'll struggle to achieve the dizzying heights of disinformation and false news you achieved in arguments over Hilary Clinton, keep it up
 

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try as you might you'll struggle to achieve the dizzying heights of disinformation and false news you achieved in arguments over Hilary Clinton, keep it up

You really don't live in this reality do you? Astonishing your ability to answer a different question to the one asked. Are you a politician?
 
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"Nicola Sturgeon told supporters at the 2015 manifesto launch that the SNP would always support independence. But she said this election was "not about independence"

On that basis she and her party were elected.

Not only that she went on to support the Union,

Using SNP votes at Westminster to ensure the promises made during the referendum are delivered
Demand that the proposals of the Smith Commission on more powers for Scotland are delivered quickly and in full

Oppose any effort to undermine devolution

Seek agreement that the Scottish Parliament should move to "full financial responsibility"

Prioritise early devolution of powers over employment policy, including the minimum wage, welfare, business taxes, national insurance and equality policy


The EU referendum which she took part in and was on the losing side was a NATIONAL UK one not regional.

She simply saw an opportunity to grab power and using weasel words tried to spin the EU referendum vote into an independence vote.

As I said she has no mandate.

Mandate: the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election.

She has mistimed her power grab.

There have been a lot of postings that mentioned Scoland's First Minister and coincidentally this just came in on an email: -

Nicola Sturgeon was visiting a Scottish primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked Ms Sturgeon if she would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'. So the illustrious SNP leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.

A little boy stood up and offered, "If ma best freen, wha’ lives on a ferm, is playin' in the field and a tractor rins ower him and kills him, that wid be a tragedy. - "Incorrect", said Nicola, in her best trying-not-to-sound-too- patronising-Scottish-accent, "That would be an accident."

A little girl raised her hand, "If a school bus kerryin' fifty children drove ow’r a cliff, killing a'body inside, that wid be a tragedy" 'I'm afraid not', explained Nicola, "that's what we would refer to as a great loss’’.

The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Nicola searched the room."Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

Finally, at the back of the room, a wee lad raised his hand and, in a quiet voice, said: "If a plane kerryin' you and your deputy ' wiz struck by a 'freendly fire' missile & blawn tae smithereens, that wid be a tragedy." "Fantastic!" exclaimed Nicola, "and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"

“Weel", says the lad, "it has tae be a tragedy, because it certainly widnae be a great loss, and it probably widnae be an accident either!"

...Heh heh 'out of the mouths of babes and children' as they say... ;)
 

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Didn't the governments in power at the time of the oil boom use the revenue to pay off our war debts to the US and balance the trade books a little?

Even more reason for the poison dwarf to push for another referendum. I hope May sticks to her guns and tells Sturgeon again and again "No". Brexit is far more important than the SNP and their wishes.
When the negotiations are finally over and the UK is free of the EU, then Sturgeon can be told, No, you had your referendum, the Scots decided , and that is final.

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Would Jocxit be good for England, perhaps the English need a vote on whether to keep supporting Scotland
 

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