Is it true that the new shape E Class will have the 220CDI as the antry level model!!?? Tell me it's not true as Mercedes can not be that silly as to exclude that section of the market that can not get insured for anything bigger than a 2 Litre...be it Diesel or not!!!!
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I believe innitially this is the case but an E200K will arrive later followed by an E200K CGI with 170BHP.
I believe innitially this is the case but an E200K will arrive later followed by an E200K CGI with 170BHP.
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Like I said Fuzzer, insurance companies penalise "younger" drivers with anything bigger than a 2 Ltr, even if it is a diesel!! Oh yeah and I've seen a E200K that runs on LPG and it seems to have the same power output but its more economical than a CDI, AND, the owner tells me that his car goes FURTHER between services as the gas is kinder on the engine! Thus lower service costs!! I know not everyone in this forum likes LPG (and you might even say why drive a Merc if you're worried about the cost!!!) but think of the difference you make to the environment! Now, Digressing slightly, .......I know that LPG magazine have a run a feature on LPG kits designed specially for the E200K and even installed by them, so if anyone wants to defect from diesel to the world of 30p per litre, give me shout and I'll give you their Tel number!
Like I said Fuzzer, insurance companies penalise "younger" drivers with anything bigger than a 2 Ltr, even if it is a diesel!! Oh yeah and I've seen a E200K that runs on LPG and it seems to have the same power output but its more economical than a CDI, AND, the owner tells me that his car goes FURTHER between services as the gas is kinder on the engine! Thus lower service costs!! I know not everyone in this forum likes LPG (and you might even say why drive a Merc if you're worried about the cost!!!) but think of the difference you make to the environment! Now, Digressing slightly, .......I know that LPG magazine have a run a feature on LPG kits designed specially for the E200K and even installed by them, so if anyone wants to defect from diesel to the world of 30p per litre, give me shout and I'll give you their Tel number!
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If you are young and you have to drive a big car , ryou have to bite the bullet and take it ... I have to do that too ..
LPG is iffy ... I don't even think there are any garages in my area that do it and the people on this forum have advised againsed it . CDI is the way forward ..
The price of LPG is about to get hit soon anyway . !!!
If you are young and you have to drive a big car , ryou have to bite the bullet and take it ... I have to do that too ..
LPG is iffy ... I don't even think there are any garages in my area that do it and the people on this forum have advised againsed it . CDI is the way forward ..
The price of LPG is about to get hit soon anyway . !!!
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I agree with some of the points that Jason raised in relation to LPG. Don't forget that the combustion properties are far lower than either of petrol or diesel, meaning that it's hard for engines to burn...even then the engine burns more of it. The cost per litre may be cheap, but in the long run the cost benefits may be reduced quite heavily. How far do you need to drive before you break even on installation costs? How long do you intend on keeping the vehicle (you'll definitely need to keep it for a number of years before you see a return). Quite true about LPG being easier on engines though (due to lower level of combustion) but unless you're going to run the engine for 1,000,000kms (like minicabs, taxis etc) then it's unlikely that you'll notice the wear and tear...especially with today's modern engines.
(Edited by JamesG at 8:18 am on Mar. 13, 2002)
(Edited by JamesG at 8:19 am on Mar. 13, 2002)
I agree with some of the points that Jason raised in relation to LPG. Don't forget that the combustion properties are far lower than either of petrol or diesel, meaning that it's hard for engines to burn...even then the engine burns more of it. The cost per litre may be cheap, but in the long run the cost benefits may be reduced quite heavily. How far do you need to drive before you break even on installation costs? How long do you intend on keeping the vehicle (you'll definitely need to keep it for a number of years before you see a return). Quite true about LPG being easier on engines though (due to lower level of combustion) but unless you're going to run the engine for 1,000,000kms (like minicabs, taxis etc) then it's unlikely that you'll notice the wear and tear...especially with today's modern engines.
(Edited by JamesG at 8:18 am on Mar. 13, 2002)
(Edited by JamesG at 8:19 am on Mar. 13, 2002)
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Talking of CDI engines....you probably know already, but i was browsing the US merc site, and they dont have them out there as they have the wrong sort of Diesel!!
Talking of CDI engines....you probably know already, but i was browsing the US merc site, and they dont have them out there as they have the wrong sort of Diesel!!
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I believe the problem to be with the high pressure part of CDI . The diesel is used to lubricate the injector and if the wrong type of diesel is used it basically wrecks the engine . It has to be a pure diesel .
I believe the problem to be with the high pressure part of CDI . The diesel is used to lubricate the injector and if the wrong type of diesel is used it basically wrecks the engine . It has to be a pure diesel .
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Diesel oil has lubricated the injectors since time imemorial, nothing new there!!
Diesel oil has lubricated the injectors since time imemorial, nothing new there!!
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Fuzzer, LPG aside, how can a CDI be "the way to go" with diesel priced at 74.9p a litre?? That's almost 5p per litre more than unleaded on some forecourts!! Oh and didn't the chancellor promise not to touch LPG prices for at least five years!!?? Don't get me wrong, I am also a fan of diesel power but I cant even find an E220 with the spec I want!!...they're in short supply!
Fuzzer, LPG aside, how can a CDI be "the way to go" with diesel priced at 74.9p a litre?? That's almost 5p per litre more than unleaded on some forecourts!! Oh and didn't the chancellor promise not to touch LPG prices for at least five years!!?? Don't get me wrong, I am also a fan of diesel power but I cant even find an E220 with the spec I want!!...they're in short supply!
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CDI will probably be the way forward because of the MPG that you get from a Diesel engine.
CDI will probably be the way forward because of the MPG that you get from a Diesel engine.
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I did consider an E200 when I bought my E220CDi, but very glad I went CDi. 43mpg average over the last 41,000 miles and better open road performance. From experience, diesel is more expensive in the winter due to the demand for heating oil which is a very similar formulation - supply and demand drives up the price. In summer, diesel is usually the same or a penny or two lower than unleaded petrol. Dr F, hope you find the one you want, I think mine is amazing.
I did consider an E200 when I bought my E220CDi, but very glad I went CDi. 43mpg average over the last 41,000 miles and better open road performance. From experience, diesel is more expensive in the winter due to the demand for heating oil which is a very similar formulation - supply and demand drives up the price. In summer, diesel is usually the same or a penny or two lower than unleaded petrol. Dr F, hope you find the one you want, I think mine is amazing.
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There is a reason they are in short supply .. Because they are good ..
The E200 has always been too underpowered an engine to pull that big body . Now they have the Blower on it i can only imagine that makes a diference.
The E220 CDI on the other hand has the best of both worlds . The E200K will average about 26,27 ish . And as quoted on here the E220 CDI will do Early 40's.
For every 4.55 litres used you are going another 15 miles or so , ill let you do the maths ..
Also , The service intervals on the 220 CDI can be about 18500 if its a lot of motorway miles.
There is a reason they are in short supply .. Because they are good ..
The E200 has always been too underpowered an engine to pull that big body . Now they have the Blower on it i can only imagine that makes a diference.
The E220 CDI on the other hand has the best of both worlds . The E200K will average about 26,27 ish . And as quoted on here the E220 CDI will do Early 40's.
For every 4.55 litres used you are going another 15 miles or so , ill let you do the maths ..
Also , The service intervals on the 220 CDI can be about 18500 if its a lot of motorway miles.
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How does your CDI "sound"? You know..Diesel wise that is! Is it fairly loud? Also, when you fill the tank up totally, how many miles does your computer say you have available? Like on my E200, a tank full to the brim will read 14.2 Gallons giving 292/302 miles of driving..how about yours! Finally what's the performance like at at raffic lights?
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How does your CDI "sound"? You know..Diesel wise that is! Is it fairly loud? Also, when you fill the tank up totally, how many miles does your computer say you have available? Like on my E200, a tank full to the brim will read 14.2 Gallons giving 292/302 miles of driving..how about yours! Finally what's the performance like at at raffic lights?
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220 CDis are a bit rattly but the 320Cdi is a gem. The "new" 220 engine is very sweet though.
You are only averaging about 21 MPG in your 200. Even my E300 turbo manages 33mpg or 500+ mles to a tank the same size. If this was on LPG you should expect 20% drop so 17MPG or £1.68. Diesel would cost £1.31.
The 220CDi will blow a 200 away in all modes as it has a lot more torque.
I noticed your insurance poser earlier. Premiums are dictated by performance not engine size and you need to look at groupings to be sure. Obtian some quotes.
220 CDis are a bit rattly but the 320Cdi is a gem. The "new" 220 engine is very sweet though.
You are only averaging about 21 MPG in your 200. Even my E300 turbo manages 33mpg or 500+ mles to a tank the same size. If this was on LPG you should expect 20% drop so 17MPG or £1.68. Diesel would cost £1.31.
The 220CDi will blow a 200 away in all modes as it has a lot more torque.
I noticed your insurance poser earlier. Premiums are dictated by performance not engine size and you need to look at groupings to be sure. Obtian some quotes.
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A little rattly from cold, but only outside, inside quieter than my C180. Acceleration is a little slow off the line, but once under way very quick, particularly on the open road / mid range. A full tank gives around 600 miles.
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A little rattly from cold, but only outside, inside quieter than my C180. Acceleration is a little slow off the line, but once under way very quick, particularly on the open road / mid range. A full tank gives around 600 miles.
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Thanks Everyone. I thought some of you might want to know that I just came across a dealer who said he's got 22 E220 CDI's !!!!!! All are unregistered Auto Elegance/Avantagarde imports that were destined for the Asian market but got cancelled apparently. They all have a standard 24 Month European warranty (not as good as the UK 3 year warranty but hey!!!) They also all have Parktronic and climate control as standard....some with Sat Nav and bigger 80ltr fuel tanks. It shouldn't be a problem should it...what with them being imports and all!! Any reservations or feed back would be appreciated guys.
Ps: Knowing my foul luck all the Elegances have light colour interior which is precisely the opposite to what I want!!!
PPS: How easy is it to adjust the Avantgarde suspension to the same height as an Elegance. Also does anyone know how easy is to change the black wood trim (on the dash and doors) in an avantagarde to that in the legance. (I don't like the dark wood effect you see, but if its easy enough to buy new inserts then worth a thought...in my case personally anyway!!
Thanks Everyone. I thought some of you might want to know that I just came across a dealer who said he's got 22 E220 CDI's !!!!!! All are unregistered Auto Elegance/Avantagarde imports that were destined for the Asian market but got cancelled apparently. They all have a standard 24 Month European warranty (not as good as the UK 3 year warranty but hey!!!) They also all have Parktronic and climate control as standard....some with Sat Nav and bigger 80ltr fuel tanks. It shouldn't be a problem should it...what with them being imports and all!! Any reservations or feed back would be appreciated guys.
Ps: Knowing my foul luck all the Elegances have light colour interior which is precisely the opposite to what I want!!!
PPS: How easy is it to adjust the Avantgarde suspension to the same height as an Elegance. Also does anyone know how easy is to change the black wood trim (on the dash and doors) in an avantagarde to that in the legance. (I don't like the dark wood effect you see, but if its easy enough to buy new inserts then worth a thought...in my case personally anyway!!
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