Orange/Brown Coolant Leak....

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Hi All,

I have a question about my beloved CLK 270 cdi (2005).

Mileage 227k careful miles. I purchased the car in 2005 with 160K on the clock

As with a lot of people I've been getting very little usage out of the car over the last year ~ 800 miles from MOT to MOT, as I have been out of work for a year. I do tend to take it for a weekly ride of about 15 miles to keep the battery ticking over. The car has been driving fine.

A week ago, I was prepping the car for the MOT, wash, Clay, Polish, Wax. Passed fine. I then noted the next day that there was a puddle my garage floor, right underneath the driver's side tire (rear of the engine bay). I was hoping the fluid was water from my washing it the previous day, however, on closer inspection it was motor fluid of some sort. It doesn't seem like oil. Given that the garage floor would have all sorts of fluid on it over the years I can't be sure what it is...it did wash off my fingers very easily and without any soap.

I then moved the car out of the garage and about an hour later popped the bonnet and saw that the culprit would logically be the coolant tank. I had hoped it would have been windscreen wash, knowing full well that it's on the other side of the engine!

On opening the cap...lots of pressure released and bubbling and overflow of a tan coloured, frothy coffee type consistency fluid. I tightened it back up and cleaned up the mess, luckily it collects around the tank, but I could see dripping in the same area that would correspond to the spot on my garage floor.

Left it another hour and then opened up the cap and this time, no overflow and bubbling, and noted right away that the tan coloured fluid (which was green last time I saw it) was in the tank, and that my coolant cap had the rubber O ring/gasket that goes around the inside of the cap was split in two!

The car has been ok in terms of overheating etc...but I am purely going by my gauge in the car. If anything, I have noticed that once it's up to temp at 90 degrees, if I start driving in town, it will go down to 85 and then down to 80, but no lower. I had never seen this before, but I also don't pay much attention to the gauge once it is up to temp at 90 degrees - as pre Covid I drove 25 miles of motorway for my work commute. I assumed that my shorter drives may be to blame.

Sorry for the ramble...so in summary:

  • Car not used much
  • Leak probably from coolant tank - Coolant flush performed 08/2015 by Merc Indie
  • On opening the coolant cap, overflow of a tan coloured liquid that looks like a frothy coffee.
  • Rubber around the coolant cap broken in 2 pieces (New part ordered as it costs under £10)
  • Temp gauge fluctuates once 90 degrees is reached, goes down to 80 in town driving. (Thermostat replaced by Merc Indie 05/2016).

Any ideas please, or anyone had this themselves? I've read about and seen suggestions of anything from the stat to HG

Thanks

Chirag
 

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brown liquid in the expansion tank is not NORMAL. I think above is correct, either that or a head gasket gone seriously south.
I agree, get the car recovered to a workshop and let them deal with it
 
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Thank you to both of you. I've called my local Merc Indie and will get the car over to him. He's about 8 miles away, I'm assuming that you believe that driving over is potentially catastrophic failure? He mentioned the sniffer test.
 

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You seem to value your car, if its gearbox oil, you could end up with a damaged engine and gearbox, if its a head gasket, you could damage the engine further.
I know the cost or recovery is quite a bit, but less if you cause more damage.
 
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You seem to value your car, if its gearbox oil, you could end up with a damaged engine and gearbox, if its a head gasket, you could damage the engine further.
I know the cost or recovery is quite a bit, but less if you cause more damage.
Thanks joderest, I have an RAC package which includes recovery from home so I will explore that and drop an update here once I know any more!
 

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Some CLK270CDI's had the Valeo radiator which on occasions failed letting the coolant mix with the gearbox oil. Behr was the other radiator which didn't suffer with this problem.
 
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Some CLK270CDI's had the Valeo radiator which on occasions failed letting the coolant mix with the gearbox oil. Behr was the other radiator which didn't suffer with this problem.
Thanks Sonic, I'm certain I have the Behr as my car is 2005. I did a bit of reading about prior to purchasing and I remember 2004-5 onwards being ideal for that reason, as well as, rust!!
 

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Thanks Sonic, I'm certain I have the Behr as my car is 2005. I did a bit of reading about prior to purchasing and I remember 2004-5 onwards being ideal for that reason, as well as, rust!!
I had a 2003 CLK270CDI with the Valeo radiator. Did 115K miles in it, fortunately no problems.
 

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Just a thought, would gear box oil have enough pressure to over pressurise the coolant system ?
OP stated that when he took header tank cap off it was pressurised and bubbled out, which would suggest head gasket failure (or could be both !!!!)
 

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OP stated that when he took header tank cap off it was pressurised and bubbled out, which would suggest head gasket failure (or could be both !!!!)
I surmised that the engine was still hot ... in which case the coolant would definitely bubble out ;)
 
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I surmised that the engine was still hot ... in which case the coolant would definitely bubble out ;)
This is correct. I left it about an hour but was still hot...left it another hour or so and it was fine to open.

I have attached 3 pics.

The Coolant cap - you can see the liquid and split gasket.
The Coolant tank
The Oil cap, the bronze tinge appears to just be the metal
 

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The coolant cap certainly looks to have a mixture on water & oil on it.
 
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Hi All,

Just an update. Had the car in for a couple of weeks at the Merc indy, so that he can run tests etc around other work.

Found out that its the radiator. Its transmission oil that's been going into the radiator and has presented itself in the coolant.

I am looking at a new radiator, plus a transmission fluid flush, engine oil change, and a few coolant flushes.

Been told that I am looking at £600-700.

Any thoughts? Obviously I have to weigh up the worth of the car really. Means more to me than its book value.
 

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Hi All,

Just an update. Had the car in for a couple of weeks at the Merc indy, so that he can run tests etc around other work.

Found out that its the radiator. Its transmission oil that's been going into the radiator and has presented itself in the coolant.

I am looking at a new radiator, plus a transmission fluid flush, engine oil change, and a few coolant flushes.

Been told that I am looking at £600-700.

Any thoughts? Obviously I have to weigh up the worth of the car really. Means more to me than its book value.
Thats about right for the cost.

Radiator will be a good £400 of that fitted then the fluid flushes on top. Fair price I would say.
 
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Thats about right for the cost.

Radiator will be a good £400 of that fitted then the fluid flushes on top. Fair price I would say.
Thanks Steve. Waiting for a detailed quote.

Will keep people posted as it may help someone else in the future!
 

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Hi All,

Just an update. Had the car in for a couple of weeks at the Merc indy, so that he can run tests etc around other work.

Found out that its the radiator. Its transmission oil that's been going into the radiator and has presented itself in the coolant.

I am looking at a new radiator, plus a transmission fluid flush, engine oil change, and a few coolant flushes.

Been told that I am looking at £600-700.

Any thoughts? Obviously I have to weigh up the worth of the car really. Means more to me than its book value.
Worth of the car is always a red herring. would you spend 599 on a replacement car.
 


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