Please Help!!!!!

[Botus]

At this point I would like to say stop!!

I have never seen jammed or failed swirl flaps on a 651 engine, yet. (Please correct me if some have).

Common problems on the 651's are DPF pressure sensors, exhaust temp sensors (for which there is a modification to do the wiring loom in the event of either), snapped inlet manifold bolts, split turbo hoses and jammed EGRs.

http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/w212-e250-intake-air-system-leak.153116/

 

[Dean Fletcher]

http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/w212-e250-intake-air-system-leak.153116/

Thanks for that botus, I sincerely hope we don't have the same issue nearly a 2k fix doesnt sound great. Iv apparently had the bolts checked and been told its a swirl flap issue but I'm not hopeful as the garage are a bunch of cowboys looking up google to fix a car proper keyboard mechanics. I wonder if you can tell if a it' a broken bolt by inspection?

 

[jj1975]

Hi
It look like you have a problem with air leak which can be from split hose or intercooler and driving ur car won’t be problem except losing power and smoke when you put foot down
Or it can be swirl flap sized or broken in this case driving ur car you risking destroying your engine if that flap comes apart from fittings and will go straight into the celinder valves
Few years back was a member here it happen to his ML and it sized his engine and he repaired it him self but had to change the most of engine I don’t remember his name but old members here should remember his story
Not trying to scare you just let you know what may happen

 

[MercSLK]

This may be an unpopular reply but.........

You've said you know nothing about cars so why buy the AMG version of a nine year old e250 coupe (even if it is a Mercedes) and then try and have it repaired 'on the cheap'. Take it to a proper Mercedes dealer and they will diagnose it and repair it for you. If they don't and they make a mess of it you can sue them through the county court because you made a perfectly reasonable decision to have it repaired by a Mercedes dealer and nobody will fault you for making that decision.

The AMG version of Mercedes cars is the high performance variant and needs to be looked after properly. This costs money. If you can't afford to have it looked after properly, don't buy one. Buy the 'cooking' version; don't moan about about the cost of having to pay for the extra cost of having the AMG variant properly maintained/repaired.

I am an ex-car mechanic (many years ago) and I bought an SLK320....not an SLK320 AMG. The reason being that I can easily repair the standard version but the AMG version with its supercharger costs more to maintain, more to run, more expensive oil and if I need to take it to a dealer to look at will cost me. The supercharger has a limited life and I am not prepared to pay the money for the extra performance, which I don't really need, the standard version being quite enough powerful enough for an old bloke like me.

In summary, if you can't afford to have it repaired, don't buy it....and don't moan about it. Live within your means.

HTH

TimR

 

[Rotorhead500]

The AMG version of Mercedes cars is the high performance variant and needs to be looked after properly. This costs money.

TimR

Looking at his profile, hasn't he bought the E250 AMG Line Tim? Just a trim level as opposed to Affalterbach-fettled?

 

[LostKiwi]

And I'd never use MB dealers except as a last resort. The seem more interested in changing parts as opposed to fixing the issue through proper diagnosis.

 

[MercSLK]

Referring to his profile he's bought a Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG. Are you telling me it's not really an AMG? According to Wikipedia:

Mercedes-AMG GmbH, commonly known as AMG, is the high performance brand used by Mercedes-Benz. AMG independently hires engineers and manufactures and customizes Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles.

According to the Mercedes-AMG website:

Mercedes-AMG has been pushing the boundaries of automotive design and engineering, both on the racetrack and the road. Today, this passion for performance, coupled with unrivalled technological expertise and distinctive visual flair, is evident across the AMG range. Crafted in Affalterbach, each and every Mercedes-AMG vehicle offers an exhilarating driving experience - and it all begins with that unmistakable AMG sound.

What's the point of paying a premium for an AMG if it's not really an AMG?

The R170 SLK320 AMG had an extra 100hp over the standard 'cooking' version due to the supercharger. Are you telling me that the Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG just has a bit of extra chrome and an AMG badge over the standard cooking version. What's the point of that?

 

[Dean Fletcher]

Thanks for that reply (MercSLK) it wasn't quite the reply I had in mind but thanks all the same. That was more like a life lecture than advice on how to best sort my car. Rotorhead is absolutely correct the AMG is trim and style only. The AMG seems to be plastered all over the car, wheels, bodykit & seats etc. And as for me trying to sort my car on the cheap is incorrect. The garage I use is only used because it is a 2 minute walk from my house. Nobody wants to spend 100s or 1000s of pounds unnecessarily so I took it to my local garage hoping it would be a hose or something simple to sort as The garage might charge me 50 pounds to sort where a Mercedes dealer might charge 300 pound but maybe I'm just being silly by wanting to get my car sorted for the best price. AND fyi the car is booked in at the main dealer this Friday. Thanks again

 

[400ixl]

This may be an unpopular reply but.........

You've said you know nothing about cars so why buy the AMG version of a nine year old e250 coupe (even if it is a Mercedes) and then try and have it repaired 'on the cheap'. Take it to a proper Mercedes dealer and they will diagnose it and repair it for you. If they don't and they make a mess of it you can sue them through the county court because you made a perfectly reasonable decision to have it repaired by a Mercedes dealer and nobody will fault you for making that decision.

The AMG version of Mercedes cars is the high performance variant and needs to be looked after properly. This costs money. If you can't afford to have it looked after properly, don't buy one. Buy the 'cooking' version; don't moan about about the cost of having to pay for the extra cost of having the AMG variant properly maintained/repaired.

I am an ex-car mechanic (many years ago) and I bought an SLK320....not an SLK320 AMG. The reason being that I can easily repair the standard version but the AMG version with its supercharger costs more to maintain, more to run, more expensive oil and if I need to take it to a dealer to look at will cost me. The supercharger has a limited life and I am not prepared to pay the money for the extra performance, which I don't really need, the standard version being quite enough powerful enough for an old bloke like me.

In summary, if you can't afford to have it repaired, don't buy it....and don't moan about it. Live within your means.

HTH

TimR

There is no difference in the engine between the SE and AMG trim versions of these cars. They are not V8 / V6TT engined cars just have some AMG styling on them.

Most main dealers are not mechanics, they are parts replacement technicians who follow diagnostic equipment and replace parts starting at the top of the list. Expensive way to have a car maintained when it comes to fixing faults and not just doing scheduled maintenance.

Finding a decent MB specialist who probably started as a tech but worked out they can use their brains and do proper diagnostics and provide better services is the way to go in getting something like this done. Problem is that many can be booked up for weeks.

If you believe that where it is being looked at today are not highly competent and winging it, then please do take it somewhere else.

 

[LostKiwi]

Referring to his profile he's bought a Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG. Are you telling me it's not really an AMG? According to Wikipedia:

Mercedes-AMG GmbH, commonly known as AMG, is the high performance brand used by Mercedes-Benz. AMG independently hires engineers and manufactures and customizes Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles.

According to the Mercedes-AMG website:

Mercedes-AMG has been pushing the boundaries of automotive design and engineering, both on the racetrack and the road. Today, this passion for performance, coupled with unrivalled technological expertise and distinctive visual flair, is evident across the AMG range. Crafted in Affalterbach, each and every Mercedes-AMG vehicle offers an exhilarating driving experience - and it all begins with that unmistakable AMG sound.

What's the point of paying a premium for an AMG if it's not really an AMG?

The R170 SLK320 AMG had an extra 100hp over the standard 'cooking' version due to the supercharger. Are you telling me that the Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG just has a bit of extra chrome and an AMG badge over the standard cooking version. What's the point of that?

'Proper' AMG models are badged as having a two digit code after the model. For example SLK55, C32, SL55, SL65 C63, E63 etc. Those models have an engine that is handbuilt by one man who signs a plaque attached to the engine. Anything badged with 3 digits and AMG is just a trim level - the underlying gubbins is whatever the model its based on is.

 

[Botus]

there's a rather big assumption re the AMG snobbery, that just coz you "know about cars" you can drive.

99% of people have no ability to drive, yet I bet way more than 90% think they can better than the average driver. and some (few) who are clueless about how a car is engineered, assembled and maintained will be great drivers

driving is about, eyesight, judgement, motor skills (brain and limb coordination) and an understanding of physics not engineering

 

[400ixl]

What's the point of paying a premium for an AMG if it's not really an AMG?

The R170 SLK320 AMG had an extra 100hp over the standard 'cooking' version due to the supercharger. Are you telling me that the Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG just has a bit of extra chrome and an AMG badge over the standard cooking version. What's the point of that?

You aren't paying a premium, its just a trim level. It comes with a stiffer suspension, larger wheels etc for a more sporty drive.

Its like BMW have the M series which is the high performance and M Sport which is just trim. Manufacturers have done it for years, I'd have expected an ex-mechanic to know of such things as its been done for donkeys.

 

[Rotorhead500]

Referring to his profile he's bought a Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG. Are you telling me it's not really an AMG? According to Wikipedia:

Mercedes-AMG GmbH, commonly known as AMG, is the high performance brand used by Mercedes-Benz. AMG independently hires engineers and manufactures and customizes Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles.

According to the Mercedes-AMG website:

Mercedes-AMG has been pushing the boundaries of automotive design and engineering, both on the racetrack and the road. Today, this passion for performance, coupled with unrivalled technological expertise and distinctive visual flair, is evident across the AMG range. Crafted in Affalterbach, each and every Mercedes-AMG vehicle offers an exhilarating driving experience - and it all begins with that unmistakable AMG sound.

What's the point of paying a premium for an AMG if it's not really an AMG?

The R170 SLK320 AMG had an extra 100hp over the standard 'cooking' version due to the supercharger. Are you telling me that the Mercedes e 250 coupe AMG just has a bit of extra chrome and an AMG badge over the standard cooking version. What's the point of that?

It's a 2.0, 4 pot. Consider it akin to Audi Sportline, Volvo R Design, BMW M sport, etc.

 

[Dean Fletcher]

At the end of the day you see a car you like, you buy it. I couldn't care less what it has wrote on it. Some people can be highly stereotypical and judgemental. Buying a AMG trim Mercedes is for one reason only "it looks good" it doesn' have to sound like a fighter plane every time you put your foot down. Although I do admire these kind of cars one wouldn' be practical and this time of life (2 young kids). I rememer this club being aMercedes owners club not a AMG owners club.

 

[Rotorhead500]

It is indeed about MB in general Dean, panic not.

As one of the guys above has said, if you can find a good Indie MB specialist, you'd be quids in - save money and have a better maintained car.

What area are you in?

 

[Dean Fletcher]

It is indeed about MB in general Dean, panic not.

As one of the guys above has said, if you can find a good Indie MB specialist, you'd be quids in - save money and have a better maintained car.

What area are you in?

I live in Penrith Cumbria. I think the nearest indie to me is a place called autotech. In Carlisle I did call them but booked up for weeks. Thanks

 

[Rotorhead500]

I think there is an Indie search on this forum somewhere...

I'm sure one of the other guys will be able to confirm if so.

Let us know how you get on!

 

[Dean Fletcher]

I think there is an Indie search on this forum somewhere...

I'm sure one of the other guys will be able to confirm if so.

Let us know how you get on!

Thanks very much I will do.

 

[MercSLK]

In that case, I stand corrected. BMW 'M' series cars used to have twin Vanos, Valvetronic engines in my day (E36, E46) and were not just a trim level. Similarly AMG Mercedes used to be primarily about the engine, drive-train, suspension and brakes rather than just a trim level. Are you going to tell me that Ford RS just means it's got fancy trim when back in my day RS meant it had a Ford (Cosworth) BDA under the bonnet, a Getrag gearbox and an LSD?

If it's just a standard engine, then you're correct, any half decent garage should have no problem sorting it out. The Indys who have STAR will be a very good bet.

 

[Rotorhead500]

In that case, I stand corrected. BMW 'M' series cars used to have twin Vanos, Valvetronic engines in my day (E36, E46) and were not just a trim level. Similarly AMG Mercedes used to be primarily about the engine, drive-train, suspension and brakes rather than just a trim level. Are you going to tell me that Ford RS just means it's got fancy trim when back in my day RS meant it had a Ford (Cosworth) BDA under the bonnet, a Getrag gearbox and an LSD?

If it's just a standard engine, then you're correct, any half decent garage should have no problem sorting it out. The Indys who have STAR will be a very good bet.

That's pretty much it Tim.

Although the Focus RS is indeed a full-fat RS.

BMW have a halfway house on some models (much like Audi's S to the RS versions), eg M240 that is quite warm, but not an M-Series (in that example, the M2); the trim level would be (for example) a 220d M-Sport.

AMG Mercedes are still very much about engine & drivetrain... but AMG Line isn't.

As one of the guys above said... they're all at it.