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Last week I took my E320CDI in for the following work to my local indie and was charged £551 plus vat (£633). Is this reasonable for the work done?

Replace : Water Pump
4x Fuel Lines
Belt
Rail Pressure Monitor Switch

The car went in for occasional poor start and coolant leak. The leaking fuel lines were found when he was doing the other work.

Also since these jobs the engine is much nosier (like a London black cab).Could he have left something out?
 

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Hello to all,

Last week I took my E320CDI in for the following work to my local indie and was charged £551 plus vat (£633). Is this reasonable for the work done?

Replace : Water Pump
4x Fuel Lines
Belt
Rail Pressure Monitor Switch

The car went in for occasional poor start and coolant leak. The leaking fuel lines were found when he was doing the other work.

Also since these jobs the engine is much nosier (like a London black cab).Could he have left something out?

Replace : Water Pump Circa £100
4x Fuel Lines Circa £30
Belt Circa £20
Rail Pressure Monitor Switch Circa £30

Assuming the above that leaves £370 for labour (Say) 6 hrs, I fancy that the water pump is a sod on this.

What was the total parts cost? I am taking a bit of a flyer on the parts cost above.
 
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The part costs are,

Fuel lines £65.50
water Pump £70.50
Belt £25.00
Anti Freeze £12.00
Clips £2.00
Rail Pressure Switch £14.00
Rail Pressure Monitor Switch £40.00

Comes to a total of £229
 

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@ £60 p/h that's 5.5 hrs.

I think that the time consuming element is the pump. An indie will no doubt post as to whether this is a fair charge.
 

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The fuel lines are a bit of an unknown,,how far back did they have to go
 

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the price does seem a little steep, depending how much time was spent on diagnostics. thye water pump is not a huge job and assuming the plastic fuel lines are being discussed here, neither are they.

there are two parts listed - rail pressure switch and rail pressure monitor switch, what exactly are these (MB part numbers?), and why were they changed?

what was the cause of poor starting?

and finally, are you SURE it sounds different? i often have customers thinking it is worse/better after a service or work done but often their perception does not bear scrutiny. an example of this phoenomena happened today, a guy had a headlight alignment problem after i fixed his srs fault - 3 months ago! nice chap so i went easy and just adjusted his headlights, they were a little high. of course it was not linked to any work i had done but never the less, his perception was such. if it definately is noisier i suggest you need to find out why.
 

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List the parts seperately, then you can work out the labour sort of, some of the rail pressure switches are quite expensive.
 

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and finally, are you SURE it sounds different? i often have customers thinking it is worse/better after a service or work done but often their perception does not bear scrutiny. an example of this phoenomena happened today, a guy had a headlight alignment problem after i fixed his srs fault - 3 months ago! nice chap so i went easy and just adjusted his headlights, they were a little high. of course it was not linked to any work i had done but never the less, his perception was such. if it definately is noisier i suggest you need to find out why.

Hmmm, Mr Sinceyou, had a couple of those. ;)
 
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The fuel lines were changed because they had become brittle and were leaking fuel and air was getting in the supply causing the poor starting.The fuel had leaked on the aux belt so that was changed also.
4 lines were changed.

The rail pressure monitor switch and rail pressure switch are listed as seperate items but no part numbers.He said these were changed because the EPC light was coming on. This light had never come on before so I'm assuming it came on after the pipe change.

The noise is noticeably much louder now especialy at idle.The engine is as powerful as ever but not as smooth as before.

I don't mind the cost but the amount was unexpected.These are expensive cars to keep. I was going to see him about the noise and wanted to know wether to bring up the bill.
 

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and finally, are you SURE it sounds different? i often have customers thinking it is worse/better after a service or work done but often their perception does not bear scrutiny. an example of this phoenomena happened today, a guy had a headlight alignment problem after i fixed his srs fault - 3 months ago! nice chap so i went easy and just adjusted his headlights, they were a little high. of course it was not linked to any work i had done but never the less, his perception was such. if it definately is noisier i suggest you need to find out why.

I had a similar phenomenon of excessive engine noise after a "B" service on my W210 E320Cdi, it sounded as though there was an exhaust leak at the manifold or cat areas.

It took 2 weeks of investigation to discover the boot around the steering column at the firewall (bulkhead) had a slight split in it and was allowing normal engine noise to be heard in the cabin.

This could not be blamed on the service activity and it was pure coincidence that it appeared at this time.

The new rubber boot only cost about a tenner but it involved 2 hours of labour to fit it.
 

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I had a similar phenomenon of excessive engine noise after a "B" service on my W210 E320Cdi, it sounded as though there was an exhaust leak at the manifold or cat areas.

It took 2 weeks of investigation to discover the boot around the steering column at the firewall (bulkhead) had a slight split in it and was allowing normal engine noise to be heard in the cabin.

This could not be blamed on the service activity and it was pure coincidence that it appeared at this time.

The new rubber boot only cost about a tenner but it involved 2 hours of labour to fit it.

Don't boots come in pairs? Was that one hour each? :rolleyes:
 

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teabag, those split steering column boots are a common occurence, i would hope to find that one straight away!

bluegrass, there is 1x pressure SENSOR and 1x pressure ACTUATOR on your rail, neither costs as little as £14. the noise at idle COULD be a shot alternator pulley which MAY be worse now the belt has been changed - ie the old one being soaked in diesel could have attenuated the juddering. but if the epc light only came on while the work was being done that is quite a coincidence, is it not?

star, i know quite a few sinceyous. funny thing is many of them are quite nice really, and understand when you discuss how much the repair will cost them.
 

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Thats right, most of them if not all are fine once you explain things, I think its the lack of mechanical knowledge that does't help but how can they relate a side light buld to a wheel bearing noise i don't know. ;) :)
 
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Thanks for the info everyone.

I'll take it back tomorrow to get it checked out.
 

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teabag, those split steering column boots are a common occurence, i would hope to find that one straight away!/QUOTE]

My Indie told me what the problem was within 30 seconds of driving the car, but I had already spent 2 weeks and around £50 replacing the sealing rings on either side of the cat as I was convinced the noise was coming fron the exhaust.:( (Those spring clips were an absolute bugger to get back into place)
 
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I went to see him today.

He said the noise and extra vibration at idle was from worn bushes on the turbo air housing which is mounted on the left side of the engine if you are standing in front of the car.
Also he said that after a number of years the engine mounts (Hydraulic) wear causing excessive vibration & noise.

Regarding the charge for replacing the Rail Pressure Monitor Switch if understood correctly he charged,

Diagnostics £40
Parts £148
Labour £14
 
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The 2 rubber hooks were changed today and it's like a new car purring nicely.
 

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thanks bluegrass. the costs for the rail pressure sensor seem perfectly reasonable now you have a break down.
 

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