roadtax increases nasty shock

[Alex M Grieve]

1990 SL £205
2002 2.2 Vito cdi £235
1999 2.3 Vito (108D) £205

Taxing cars on CO2 emissions became a nonsense when the government of the day did it, then stood back smugly to collect fat wads of cash, only to realize the unintended consequence - business users generally have diesels and diesels produce much less CO2!

So the "benefit in kind" tax for business use of diesels was handicapped by a 3% increase, and that has remained the case.

So it is not logical, it is not environmental, they won't be spending it on anything motor or motorist related, they just want your money!

 

[prwales]

w124 500E/E500 still looking cool at £205

 

[Rory]

I think we should scrap car tax and stick it on fuel. More you use, more you pay.

Not only would it make sense from a mileage driven point of view, but it would also penalise those who drive harshly and it would resolve the situation where some cars are able to produce C02 (therefore fuel consumption) results in the lab that are far lower then they produce in real life.

 

[47p2]

5 cars costs me £825 per annum for road tax, and I still have to take evasive action to miss the potholes

 

[M80]

Has anyone found a relevant link to show new rates from April 2011 ?

I've looked and failed, the helpful links here relate to 2010 / 11 rates and bands.


It is about time the gov't realised how pathetic the road tax system is. It isn't relative to protecting the environment or real life use.

It can only be harmful to many businesses that require substantial vehicles to carry out their required tasks at a time when business requires encouragement even assistance.

 

[Dosco]

5 cars costs me £825 per annum for road tax, and I still have to take evasive action to miss the potholes

Indeed and that is just one of the sickening things about 'motoring tax' in particular Road Tax, the gits just bleed the motorist because they know they can with scant regard to the conditions we have to put up with.

The local BBC news last night gave a run down on the claims for compensation across each county in the BBC Look East region and it ran into a £2.5 million with Herts paying out almost £850,000, Suffolk £768,000, Norfolk £350,000 Camb's £243,000 Essex £205,000, Northants £54,000, Bedfordshire £20,000, P'Boro £8600, Bedford Town £5000 and Luton paid out just £850!

 

[Rory]

Has anyone found a relevant link to show new rates from April 2011 ?

I've looked and failed, the helpful links here relate to 2010 / 11 rates and bands.

The current rates (which were the last year of a 3 year programme) will continue unless/until the Government changes them during the budget on the 23rd March.

 

[dieselman]

make sure you renew it before it expired and keep it of the public road or you get a fine or get your car crushed.

They'll have a job, it's tucked up in the garage.

Just checked using Alfiebeards link and it's no change in tax, so OK.

 

[dieselman]

Taxing cars on CO2 emissions became a nonsense when the government of the day did it, then stood back smugly to collect fat wads of cash, only to realize the unintended consequence - business users generally have diesels and diesels produce much less CO2!

I don't think that's really fair to say. They needed to reduce Co2 output and cars are the major contributor, so they taxed on the Co2 output to raise awareness, which has worked a treat.
people are buying cars with the output in mind, so manufacturers are now ramping up their efforts to produce cars with lower emissions.

I'd say, all round it's been a success.

 

[dieselman]

I think we should scrap car tax and stick it on fuel. More you use, more you pay.

Hang on. Wasn't there a thread on here only a few days ago where the posters were saying there was too much tax on fuel?

I would much rather pay, say £100 extra RFL and save £1000 on fuel duty.

 

[M80]

The local BBC news last night gave a run down on the claims for compensation across each county in the BBC Look East region and it ran into a £2.5 million with Herts paying out almost £850,000, Suffolk £768,000, Norfolk £350,000 Camb's £243,000 Essex £205,000, Northants £54,000, Bedfordshire £20,000, P'Boro £8600, Bedford Town £5000 and Luton paid out just £850!

Am I right in guessing that that would be claims due to events of the 09 / 10 winter, as this winters claims would still be sat on a desk.

The roads this year have suffered more due to the 2nd bad winter attack on them, I would expect claims for this winter to be greater.
Also there will be an increased awareness of the possibility of claim.

It seems that local gov't's are offsetting the cost of claims against the cost of repairs. If they make the claims more and more difficult that cost is kept lower, but it disregards the added dangers of lost control to the road user.

Then there is the extra tax burden to the road user, bad roads more vehicle repairs, we pay.

 

[M80]

Just checked using Alfiebeards link and it's no change in tax, so OK.

All I can see on that link is

"Rates effective from 1 April 2010"

 

[toby1]

Hang on. Wasn't there a thread on here only a few days ago where the posters were saying there was too much tax on fuel?

I would much rather pay, say £100 extra RFL and save £1000 on fuel duty.

Agreed, but with past mutterings about road-pricing being introduced taken into account, it must be a simpler system.

It depends on one's mileage and how the calculation is done, but in principle it would save a lot of money in administration.

 

[M80]

I don't think that's really fair to say. They needed to reduce Co2 output and cars are the major contributor, so they taxed on the Co2 output to raise awareness, which has worked a treat.
people are buying cars with the output in mind, so manufacturers are now ramping up their efforts to produce cars with lower emissions.

I'd say, all round it's been a success.

My problem here is the statement that they need to reduce CO2 emmisions.

The debate around global warming has lost much of it's credability there now being a greater belief that we are in yet another natural climate cycle.
When they can control the suns output they have a chance.

New cars for old ignores the gross innefficiency of the production of a new car while there is an energy consumption to recycle the old. I can see that it would offer some assistanc to the motor industry though.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

I don't think that's really fair to say. They needed to reduce CO2 output and cars are the major contributor, so they taxed on the CO2 output to raise awareness, which has worked a treat.
people are buying cars with the output in mind, so manufacturers are now ramping up their efforts to produce cars with lower emissions.

I'd say, all round it's been a success.

Perhaps so Will, but previous iterations of the same general object (revenue generation) saw discounts for company motorists who's cars were more than 4 years old, and for those who drove more than 18,000 business miles per year. (I qualified for both of these at one point!).

If the policy of taxation on CO2 output was pure, then why penalize diesel users, who were already producing much less CO2?

If government has got it right, and I accept the point you make, then I believe this is in Donald Rumsfeldt's "subconscious competence" category (we don't know what we know).

 

[television]

For 2011 2 bands only
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/road-tax-2009-2010-and-2011-charges/231720

 

[M80]

For 2011 2 bands only
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/road-tax-2009-2010-and-2011-charges/231720

Thanks Malcolm but that still refers to years 2010 / 11, changes from 1st April will be for years 2011 / 12.

 

[whitenemesis]

For 2011 2 bands only
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/road-tax-2009-2010-and-2011-charges/231720

Only 2 bands? Not sure I'm seeing the same as you there Malcolm

 

[jasonyw]

petrol is expensive enough, abolish roadtax and shift it to the petrol will going push up the price of petrol even higher.

as of yesterday they are already talking about £8 per gallon.

why is dieselman sorned his car?

 

[rovingHawk]

I think we should scrap car tax and stick it on fuel. More you use, more you pay.

They did it many years ago. They then reintroduced road tax but kept the fuel duty. (1933, I believe?)

If they do what you suggest then I'll pretty much guarantee VED would come back in a few years' time with no fuel duty reduction to suit.

RH