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Smart Motorways

Discussion in 'General Mercedes-Benz Related Discussion' started by Rob76, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Rob76

    Rob76 Senior Member

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    What a wonderful thing it will be when our new smart motorway network is finished!!
    The northern M6 section that is complete is a wonderful driving experience; now we have 3 lanes of HGV's doing <60mph!!!!!!!!!

    HOW is this progress??????

    To realise 1/3 extra capacity of the existing network - HGV's should be limitied to the inside lane during the day: I cant see that the countless millions being poured in will make any difference otherwise??

    Rant over
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    Is 'Smart Motorways' not an oxymoron?
     
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    Whilst agreeing with the principle of waggons being limited to L1, in practice it would never work as they'd be bunched up so tight you'd never be able to access or exit the motorway. Let's face it, they're not known for leaving a 2 second gap. I do however think that they should stick with lanes 1 & 2 though, leaving 3 & 4 for cars to be able to make progress.

    Unfortunately this will never happen, so we get the problem as highlighted above. 3 lanes of traffic doing a maximum of 56mph, taking several miles to overtake others doing around 53 - 54, with just 1 lane for cars.

    Incidentally, I hate these "All Lane Running" motorways with a passion. One breakdown now causes mayhem, whereas with a hard shoulder it was purely an inconvenience for the unfortunate person in the broken vehicle. Not the safest place to stop but better than our new alternative of a live lane.
     
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    They are only as Smart as the people who designed them and those operating them, not fit for purpose like our MPs.

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    I find the size of the pull-off areas ridiculous. You're trying to re-join L1 from this very short refuge area and have no room to accelerate to the 60mph all the L1 traffic is doing. Thankfully I have yet to have to use one, but I feel sorry for anyone that does.
     
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    Plain stupid is what they are really - as is driving in most of this country now :(
     
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    I spent a great deal of yesterday in 56 and 56.5 mph queues - gets quite tedious after 4 hours
     
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    John Laidlaw Senior Member

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    Don’t envy you that Russel for sure, I don’t do much longer distance driving any more- in saying that I’ve my pilgrimage to Seething coming up soon- joy :rolleyes:
     
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    I have 2 or 3 return trips per week from Birmingham to Liverpool; it makes me angry :(
     
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    I don't let it bother me these days, I'm driving a car I love so spending time in it is never a hardship :)

    I've a 375 mile journey on Monday and looking forward to that already :)
     
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    If i were in my car - it wouldn't be so bad.....
    But at least the transit custom has a fuel card :)
     
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    I trek from the Midlands to London weekly and then around the M4 and M25 weekdays.

    I see why many don't like it but, I think trucks should be restricted to the inner lanes during peak hours.

    I just set cruise to 70mph and relax and find that with most doing the same speed, most drivers are more patient and tailgate less etc as the outside 4th lane is empty for the nutters who don't understand how the cameras work and want to tear along.

    However now, you get the idiot lane hogs (I travel along it between 9pm-2am regularly as well as peak times) who sit in lane 3 at 60/65mph.... I just stay on the inside lanes and pass on the left provided I do not need to pull out after passing.

    Also doing the mega weekly miles, I find the sheer length of the 50mph restrictions seriously fatiguing half the time.
     
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    I can't condone this but as a lad we used to go(motorbikes) from the South of England urp north.. for shows etc without a plate, grown up now and work in a job locally and havn't seen a motorway let alone a smart in over a year .
     
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    I think people spend more time watching their speed than they do the road on these.
    As above wouldn’t be to keen on rejoining L1 nor getting into one of the refuge areas from L3 in an emergency. All well thought out by people with no idea.
    To help lorries, cars should have to travel at a minimum of 60mph. L2 should be a minimum of 65mph and L3 70mph.
    All not feasible, just my thoughts on how to improve journeys.
    I’ll have a word and see if they will re think smart motorways. ; ).


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    Modern driving standards are beyond belief. If people just drove according to the most basic rules (and common sense), e.g keep left unless over-taking, do not overtake where you will come into conflict, if you are overtaking something, get past don't just catch it up and then sit alongside, merge onto a motorway in a staggered manner not everyone pinching up trying to get a head causing a cluster f*ck, etc etc. traffic would flow without a glitch, 2 lanes or 10 lanes.

    Nowadays you have to be a bit selfish to stop getting screwed up by others.

    Whilst I agree its annoying having 3 trucks drag racing each other, the one that is fractionally slower, should just do the decent thing, back off 2 mph or so and allow the overtaking truck to get past. Also I find other motorists speed is highly inconsistent, not only the ones who do 50-60 putting the truckers in a tough spot but, the ones who catch you in seconds and then just sit alongside or actually go slower.
     
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    Don't you also find that the guy who passes you at the speed of light, you catch up and pass ten miles further on, because he has now decided to settle down behind a truck, or just amble along at 50?

    This discipline thing also varies a lot from country to country. In France - possibly because of superior roads and less traffic - drivers generally seem more relaxed. German drivers have better lane discipline and clearer signalling. Italians all drive Ferraris, whether they're in a Fiat or a Ferrari, but at least they don't hold anyone up.

    It just seems to be the Brits who stand on their rights behind the wheel, and get instantly stroppy if they think you've gained some advantage.
     
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    the construction of a "Smart motorway", or more accurately, getting a 4-lane motorway on the cheap, is what I endure every day on my commute along the M23.

    I have to begrudgingly admit that instead of lining up thousands of bollards and doing nothing behind them, (as usually happens), they are actually getting on with it, and there is very impressive progress towards 3-1/2 lanes, with serious construction work happening everyday.

    That being said, I dread the first incident, because the MOT appear to only allow you to breakdown in designated "bus stops" every 1/2 mile or so (sometimes much longer). If you are unfortunate in breaking down outside the designated places, the HGV ploughing into the back of you is only a matter of time, and when it happens, god knows how the rescue services are going to get to you...
     
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    I guess it is the UK equivalent of the "Purge", Govenment way of reducing the population by eradicating those who cannot afford reliable vehicles ;-).

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    Had my first encounters of a broken/breaking down vehicle today as we passed Nottingham on the M1 on the way back down to Berkshire.

    Luckily, everyone was chilled out, keeping a respectable distance from each other, with overtaking cars actually getting past etc.

    I was a few truck lengths behind a truck at 50mph (in speed restrictions), truck pulls out and then it took a few moments for my brain to register how slow the car ahead of me was now going with its hazards on, so I pull out, nice and easy with plenty of room but, it made me think, in rush hour, with people driving bumper to bumper that would be an accident waiting to happen, only because of the way most people drive....
     
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    Smart motorway = an ATM for the government into our bank accounts.
     
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