space saver spare wheel for W210

[fwb44]

Does anyone know whether the space saver spare wheel for the W211 fits the W210? Or whether there's another 5-stud 16" space saver that does? (e.g. I got a Saab 9000 one once that fitted a Rover Sterling, don't ask...)

 

[television]

Does anyone know whether the space saver spare wheel for the W211 fits the W210? Or whether there's another 5-stud 16" space saver that does? (e.g. I got a Saab 9000 one once that fitted a Rover Sterling, don't ask...)

All MB hubs and spacing are the same, different model will do as a get you home wheel, the only thing to watch for is diameter of the bolts as they changed from 12mm to 14 mm, and do make sure they are the correct length.

Malcolm

 

[clive williams]

Does anyone know whether the space saver spare wheel for the W211 fits the W210? Or whether there's another 5-stud 16" space saver that does? (e.g. I got a Saab 9000 one once that fitted a Rover Sterling, don't ask...)

Why do you want to fit a spacesaver????? Its good practice to use a proper size spare as the spacesaver has very restricted capabilities and I wouldn't trust it to carry a full load at the max speed of 50mph especially in adverse conditions. Remember also, ALL tyres deteriorate with age and the same goes with a space saver. A normal tyre should be scrapped at 5yrs old. I would take the same view with the space saver. It may be more protected from deterioration in the wheel well but when its used its under much higher stresses.
It seems to me that it is better to rotate the (normal size) spare when changing a pair or a set of tyres and that way you don't lose out.
BTW I have recently fitted a set of 8Jx16 rims to our barge (S210) and managed to just fit an 8J rim in the wheel well although I had to make up a new retaining bolt. One of the other benefits of using a matching spare is that I can dispense with the steel wheel bolts to prevent any confusion.

Clive

500E
E320CDIT210

 

[fwb44]

Why do you want to fit a spacesaver?

We don't want to fit it, just carry it because we're LPG-converting a W210 estate and the gas tank will go in the upright spare wheel space in the cargo area. We think we might be able to modify the area behind the opposite panel in the cargo area to take a space-saver. My trusty local indie recommends NOT rotating wheels - it can upset the alignment apparently!

 

[fwb44]

All MB hubs and spacing are the same, different model will do as a get you home wheel, the only thing to watch for is diameter of the bolts as they changed from 12mm to 14 mm, and do make sure they are the correct length. Malcolm

Malcolm, could I be so bold as to ask whether you would recommend that I go for this one from eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WS/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4645209855&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

 

[clive williams]

We don't want to fit it, just carry it because we're LPG-converting a W210 estate and the gas tank will go in the upright spare wheel space in the cargo area. We think we might be able to modify the area behind the opposite panel in the cargo area to take a space-saver. My trusty local indie recommends NOT rotating wheels - it can upset the alignment apparently!

Francis,
Do I read the runes right, do you intend to convert your E320CDI? Is this an lpg supplimentry system to the diesel or a full replacement? I've see good reports on lpg as a suppliment.
Its common where a spare wheel well is used for the lpg tank to dispense with the spare altogether and fit Slime or such to the tyres. Sorry to be anti-spacesaver but the thought of using one fill me with dread. The handling/road holding will be severely compromised fitting one and the thought of having to rely on it in an extreme situation to avoid say, an accident makes me uncomfortable. I see Slime as a viable alternative as I have experience of it working successfully over some time now. i use it in horticultural vehicle and trailer tyres where the tractor was prone to punctures weekly/fortnightly. I've had Slime in the tyres for five years now and I've not had a puncture that needed repair in all that time.
With regard to tyre rotation. The alignment of the suspension cannot be affected by different wheels or tyres. However, fitting a wheel with a wear pattern, which is not sympathetic with the other wheel on the axle can upset the handling slightly and exaggerate wear - I assume that this is what your Indie meant. What I was proposing was that at the outset all the tyres including the spare were new. When it came time for replacement of the road wheel tyres then the spare would transferred as a road wheel and the best of the rest transferred to the spare. This way the spare sees full service and is simply not junked because to reaches the end of its life. It also means that because I am running 8J rims instead of 7.5J I will buy 8 tyres every two changes instead of 9 tyres.

Clive

500E
E320CDIT210

 

[fwb44]

Hi Clive

I wish we could convert a diesel E320! No, it's a common or garden petrol engined one. We both do chauffeuring work but she prefers an estate (well, the E Class estate is supposed to be a rich woman's car isn't it? She wishes!) and I prefer a saloon - and diesel.

In 220,000 miles in my old car I had only one puncture - outside my house on a pouring wet day & I couldn't undo the wheelnuts so called the RAC to fix it. But she is more prone to blow-outs, don't ask me why [maybe she ... sssh ... kerbs her wheels] so we'll get her a space-saver but strictly only to get her home, as it were, and at a maximum of 50 m.p.h. as we all know. We were also recommended Slime by the LPG converters so will definitely go ahead with that as you report so well on it. She also swears by Kumho tyres which I thought were budget? I was never happy with anything costing less than about £85 - Pirelli, Continental, Goodyear &c. What do you use?

Regards

 

[Blobcat]

Hi Clive

I wish we could convert a diesel E320! No, it's a common or garden petrol engined one. We both do chauffeuring work but she prefers an estate (well, the E Class estate is supposed to be a rich woman's car isn't it? She wishes!) and I prefer a saloon - and diesel.

In 220,000 miles in my old car I had only one puncture - outside my house on a pouring wet day & I couldn't undo the wheelnuts so called the RAC to fix it. But she is more prone to blow-outs, don't ask me why [maybe she ... sssh ... kerbs her wheels] so we'll get her a space-saver but strictly only to get her home, as it were, and at a maximum of 50 m.p.h. as we all know. We were also recommended Slime by the LPG converters so will definitely go ahead with that as you report so well on it. She also swears by Kumho tyres which I thought were budget? I was never happy with anything costing less than about £85 - Pirelli, Continental, Goodyear &c. What do you use?

Regards

I use conti's eco contact and have been very happy with them. My wife's Accord comes with slime and a compressor and a really neat lockable storage area under the boot floor. Looked at a new SL500 yesterday and the space saver spare looked like an elastic band.

 

[clive williams]

Hi Clive

I wish we could convert a diesel E320!.................. She also swears by Kumho tyres which I thought were budget? I was never happy with anything costing less than about £85 - Pirelli, Continental, Goodyear &c. What do you use?

Regards

Hi Francis,

I've been speaking to one of the bus companies who run buses converted to lpg and the comments are less than complimentary but as an additive to the diesel primary fuel it looks tempting.

My impression of Kuhmo tyres is the same. I use Goodyear F1s on the 500E and have just started using Vredestein Ultracs on the E320CDI(S210), which I'm very impressed with - please check out my thread report of 10 days ago. I'm not a Pirelli fan for a number of reasons, I think Pirelli lost the plot after they discontinued the CN36 - shows my age!, which is why I am experienced enough not to argue with 'er in doors.

Clive

500E
E320CDIT210

 

[fwb44]

I am experienced enough not to argue with 'er indoors

After ten years of arguing I moved to the next door ... town - and the arguments stopped! Now we have conversations instead! I thoroughly recommend this course of action to anyone with the same problem.

Clive, I'm still baffled as to how LPG and diesel can be combined - even in a bus. I did follow a (M-B) fuel cell bus through East London a couple of days ago, whose exhaust blew great plumes of what looked like steam up into the air but whose engine sounded very like a diesel. Anyone know what technology that could have been?

Oh, and we still need that 16" 5-stud space saver if anyone has any ideas?

 

[clive williams]

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Clive, I'm still baffled as to how LPG and diesel can be combined - even in a bus. I did follow a (M-B) fuel cell bus through East London a couple of days ago, whose exhaust blew great plumes of what looked like steam up into the air but whose engine sounded very like a diesel. Anyone know what technology that could have been?

Oh, and we still need that 16" 5-stud space saver if anyone has any ideas?

Lpg is used as a supplementry fuel by bleeding a small amount into the inlet tract of the diesel engine. This gets compressed as normal and the diesel is injected - and BANG! The lpg does not pre-ignite as there is insufficient on its own. What it does is speed up the flame front and overall combustion giving a complete combustion and therefore a little more power and better responsiveness. There have been reports of better economy as a result of improved drivability.

Generally, its probably not worth the expense or hassle unless you really need that little bit extra.

The fuel cell technology provides hydrogen gas, which is stored in the solid contents of the fuel cell (hence the name ) To ignite the hydrogen, atmospheric oxygen is let in as normal, the whole lot is ignited either by compression (similar to diesel) or by spark ignition (similar to petrol) - BANG AGAIN!! The byproduct is steam i.e H2O.

Clive

500E
E320CDIT210