That Jeremy Vine cycling incident

[Gkinghorn]

I'm usually more in favour of cyclists when it comes to car drivers and cycling altercations.

I can't help feeling Jeremy Vine was a complete dick here and was trying to make some banal point by acting as he did...

I get the driver beeping at him is just rude and inconsiderate but he deliberately stops in the middle of the road , blocking the driver when he could have simply moved to side and avoided the entire altercation ...

https://youtu.be/QthaNaKoFTU




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[MissyD]

+1 ^ no need for the driver to beep and intimidate him when he clearly didnt have room to move over , but when he did have room, he should have just moved over and not stopped in the middle of the road, not helpful.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

The cyclist did seem to be particularly well equipped to record the event.

Sadly, there is a complete schism among the different types of road user - motorists, motor-cyclists and cyclists, not to mention those on horseback who seem to trump the lot.

Motorists are not all that smart. Confronted by a cyclist going their way, they seem to feel an obligation, and a right, to overtake, regardless of the situation - over the double white line on a blind bend is not unusual. Motorists in many cases do not seem to have the patience or the intellect to share the road with others. And pity the oncoming well behaved driver who is at extreme risk.

Motor cyclists do not appear to be bound by the rules of the road which affect others, either at commuting time in urban areas, or on the open road in rural areas. They are not referred to by the medical profession as "donors" without good reason.

Cyclists in urban areas seem to rely on other folks noting their presence and taking deferential avoiding action. (ever heard that cars and lorries have blind spots?). They pay no regard to traffic lights and can even mount the kerb to kill people without legal redress - it has happened. Cyclists need to provide no evidence of competence, the road-worthiness of their bicycle, they are not licenced, regulated or insured.

Those riding horses on rural roads do put themselves at risk. No matter how well trained the horse, or how skilled or attentive the rider, the animal is unpredictable in the best of conditions, and motorists who feel the obligation to overtake regardless (see above) do not help.

I do not believe that the various groups generally have the intellect, the patience and the training to share the roads. Until we work on these skills and behaviours, and abandon the selfish attitudes which currently exist, then "accidents" will continue to happen - and for every "accident", there are hundreds of near misses.

Sadly, our police are currently dedicated to the enforcement of speed limits, so I doubt if if they have the capacity to deal with careless or dangerous behaviour.

No strong views.

 

[television]

Very well said Alex, and so true, at least I can drive anywhere with never a problem using what you have said in mind. I have never ever become angry,annoyed or anything if someone has made a mistake, just back off and let it sort itself out. I have only wanted to blow my horn once, to wave at someone and I could not think where it was

 

[Uncle Benz]

I don't think the issue here is that a particular group are the problem. Its not cyclists are wrong or car drivers are bad or horse riders don't care. The common denominator is the human, and in some situations the "inner chimp" takes over. Chimp theory is about our ancestoral behaviour that acts in defensive or confrontational situations to attack or defend just as we would have when we were apes. It is almost always irrational, and regretted later when our human brain takes control again.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Vine is a journalist and in my opinion he did create and fuel that situation.. I have taken up bike riding over this past few months and I go out of my way to stay and keep myself safe, an angry motorist can be lethal, and there is no way of reversing a fatality.
He should have signalled or motioned to that motorist that he was going to get out of her way as soon as he possibly could.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

Vine is a journalist and in my opinion he did create and fuel that situation.. I have taken up bike riding over this past few months and I go out of my way to stay and keep myself safe, an angry motorist can be lethal, and there is no way of reversing a fatality.
He should have signalled or motioned to that motorist that he was going to get out of her way as soon as he possibly could.

Agreed. He is fortunate that he did not wind up a real psychopath who, with or without a car, would have caused him to regret his folly.

 

[Frontstep]

A sanctimonious prat seeks confrontation which he just happens to be recording.

When I get followed too close do I stop the vehicle behind when on my cycle ?

No I pull over and let them past in the absolute knowledge that I cannot change the countries driving standards nor win any physical interaction with a vehicle.

As he is in London the chance is even greater that the driver would not speak english anyway.

 

[HERBIEMERCMAN]

I agree that Mr Vine should have absorbed the impatience of the car driver, the motoring world we have now in the UK demands more tolerance as we face more congestion,more speed humps,more cyclists, and immigrant drivers like the one in the clip, if she had gestured a gun at me, i would have had to take her to task, but not on the spot.
Two people behaved badly, i know which one i would like to have living next door.

 

[Xtractorfan]

A sanctimonious prat seeks confrontation which he just happens to be recording.

When I get followed too close do I stop the vehicle behind when on my cycle ?

No I pull over and let them past in the absolute knowledge that I cannot change the countries driving standards nor win any physical interaction with a vehicle.

As he is in London the chance is even greater that the driver would not speak english anyway.

She did have understanding in the language of foul.
Sunday morning a mate called to see if I wanted to go along to the local car boot sale...must say I'd never been there before...So went along, and was walking around,musing that some of my rubbish was in better condition that some of the stuff I was looking at, when a guy comes along his phone ringing, he answers it, with the following, 'Aye,fukin fuk,fuk sake man.

 

[Craiglxviii]

A constant problem "round our way" are the pods/ packs/ gangs/ flocks/ murders of cyclists who infest the roads every weekend and every evening after 5pm through the summer.

There are plenty of narrow, twisty country roads around here where one can proceed happily at 50-60mph, come round a sweeping bend to find oneself stuck behind a group of ten or more cyclists, struggling to make 15mph up a slight rise. Rather than pulling to the side of the road, no these fine gentlemen will ride two or three abreast to take up as much road as possible. Always results in tailbacks, increasingly irate drivers and then dangerous overtaking. The cyclists are quite happy to argue with 2 tons of car approaching at 60mph (which, by the way, works out at 718kJ impact energy, 36 x that of a 50 cal round...).

If drivers and motorcyclists have to be regulated, why can't cyclists when using public highways, which is where they put everyone else at risk?

My experience of horsey types- bless their johdpurs, ahem- is that they're usually much more aware of what is going on around them, and will pull in to the side of the road and wait for cars to overtake, due to the danger as they perceive it. Unless you're in North Yorkshire in the run up to the Appleby Fair, in which case your experience might be slightly different.

 

[EmilysDad]

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There are plenty of narrow, twisty country roads around here where one can proceed happily at 50-60mph, come round a sweeping bend to find oneself stuck behind a group of ten or more cyclists, struggling to make 15mph up a slight rise. Rather than pulling to the side of the road, no these fine gentlemen will ride two or three abreast to take up as much road as possible. Always results in tailbacks, increasingly irate drivers and then dangerous overtaking. The cyclists are quite happy to argue with 2 tons of car approaching at 60mph (which, by the way, works out at 718kJ impact energy, 36 x that of a 50 cal round...).

If drivers and motorcyclists have to be regulated, why can't cyclists when using public highways, which is where they put everyone else at risk?
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Very recently I saw half a dozen or so lycra'd louts taking up the whole lane with 40+ tonnes of HGV sat on their harris's. Ignorant in itself, but at the side of them was a purpose built cycle path

 

[M80]

I don't see an answer to this problem.
There are more and more cars and wagons each day. It seems more people are taking to the road on their bikes.

Our roads are generally too restricting to share easily 'and safely' between the fast and the slow. Most of us have times when we have a need to be somewhere soon and a slow cyclist or two, that have likely been driving with the same impatience recently then soon forget how driving a car is for some reason, will cause frustration.

I believe the highway code is out of date in some respects. rewriting to remove the 'right' for arrogant cyclists to travel 2 abreast (and often more) might help things a little.

But we must be careful of the cyclist as they are more difficult to clean off the paintwork and screen than flies.

 

[television]

They could ban horrible loud mouth females from driving, or others of the same disposition.

 

[PovertySpec]

a purpose built cycle path

Probably poorly maintained and hadn't been swept for years. Punctures galore.

Everyone has the right to use the roads, everyone has a duty to be responsible to other road users be they on bikes, on foot or in cars.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

But we must be careful of the cyclist as they are more difficult to clean off the paintwork and screen than flies.

Very true, and the paperwork .............!

The reality is that, in any incident, where one party is badly injured, or deceased, the other party seems to be accepted to be the bad guy.

 

[M80]

Very true, and the paperwork .............!

The reality is that, in any incident, where one party is badly injured, or deceased, the other party seems to be accepted to be the bad guy.

Or another way to put that,
they may be right but still dead.

A quick risk assessment suggests that cycling on our public roads comes with a high and unacceptable risk.
The remedy for me is to refrain from the activity.

I'll just stick to safer sailing, trapeze on dinghies and yachty stuff, kite surfing and motorcycling. I've given up para gliding and the motor cycling is in question.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Or another way to put that,
they may be right but still dead.

A quick risk assessment suggests that cycling on our public roads comes with a high and unacceptable risk.
The remedy for me is to refrain from the activity.

I'll just stick to safer sailing, trapeze on dinghies and yachty stuff, kite surfing and motorcycling. I've given up para gliding and the motor cycling is in question.

A sensible, considered view.

With that, Petition to Ban Bicycles. Who's going to start it?

 

[ansta1]

A constant problem "round our way" are the pods/ packs/ gangs/ flocks/ murders of cyclists who infest the roads every weekend and every evening after 5pm through the summer.

There are plenty of narrow, twisty country roads around here where one can proceed happily at 50-60mph, come round a sweeping bend to find oneself stuck behind a group of ten or more cyclists, struggling to make 15mph up a slight rise. Rather than pulling to the side of the road, no these fine gentlemen will ride two or three abreast to take up as much road as possible. Always results in tailbacks, increasingly irate drivers and then dangerous overtaking. The cyclists are quite happy to argue with 2 tons of car approaching at 60mph (which, by the way, works out at 718kJ impact energy, 36 x that of a 50 cal round...).

If drivers and motorcyclists have to be regulated, why can't cyclists when using public highways, which is where they put everyone else at risk?

My experience of horsey types- bless their johdpurs, ahem- is that they're usually much more aware of what is going on around them, and will pull in to the side of the road and wait for cars to overtake, due to the danger as they perceive it. Unless you're in North Yorkshire in the run up to the Appleby Fair, in which case your experience might be slightly different.

Don't flame me as I am no Mamil but it's actually recommended they ride 2 or 3 abrest. The reason being that to overtake one rider you still have to cross the center line. If they ride single file and, for example, lets say there are 10 of them at approximately 2m per bike then you are offside of center for 20 metres. If they ride 2 or 3 abrest then that distance is reduced by 2 or 3 respectively.

There's a youtube vid with Chris Boardman explaining why it is better for drivers if they bunch up rather line line up single file.

As said don't shoot the messenger.

 

[television]

Don't flame me as I am no Mamil but it's actually recommended they ride 2 or 3 abrest. The reason being that to overtake one rider you still have to cross the center line. If they ride single file and, for example, lets say there are 10 of them at approximately 2m per bike then you are offside of center for 20 metres. If they ride 2 or 3 abrest then that distance is reduced by 2 or 3 respectively.

There's a youtube vid with Chris Boardman explaining why it is better for drivers if they bunch up rather line line up single file.

As said don't shoot the messenger.

Can we fix up a time when we can shoot you