water flood damage to my clk240 2005

[lozcb]

please need help just bought a 240 clk 2005 with engine siezure due to water intake (flood damgage ) guy who owned it previously said he was stuck in london traffic fer ages when the heavens opened , he was at standstill ticking over , the water built up within ten mins to wheel height then the engine stopped and wouldnt restart. thankfully he climbed out through the window, now i got the problem of getting it going, all electrics perfect, mb dealer said to swap for a new engine but ive got one mortgage already dont need another, spoke to various engine remanufactures and one or two have said that more than likely it will be just a con rod or two at the most , is it possible to remove the sump and inspect the crank and conrods without removing the engine, i have done this before on other makes, any help much appreciated , clk has allways been me dream car and i wanna keep this one fer quite a while .

 

[television]

please need help just bought a 240 clk 2005 with engine siezure due to water intake (flood damgage ) guy who owned it previously said he was stuck in london traffic fer ages when the heavens opened , he was at standstill ticking over , the water built up within ten mins to wheel height then the engine stopped and wouldnt restart. thankfully he climbed out through the window, now i got the problem of getting it going, all electrics perfect, mb dealer said to swap for a new engine but ive got one mortgage already dont need another, spoke to various engine remanufactures and one or two have said that more than likely it will be just a con rod or two at the most , is it possible to remove the sump and inspect the crank and conrods without removing the engine, i have done this before on other makes, any help much appreciated , clk has allways been me dream car and i wanna keep this one fer quite a while .

The first point here is does the engine turn over on the starter.

malcolm

 

[lozcb]

cheers fer the reply malcomb mb at milton keynes have tried by hand and said its locked and then quickly quoted me five grand fer a new factory engine

 

[lozcb]

got it at home now on me drive thought i would try to remove the sump and inspect for damage looked at it underneath drained the oil (lil bit of water in the oil )seems to me the engine mounts are on the subframe so wondered if the sump can be removed without engine removal

 

[television]

cheers fer the reply malcomb mb at milton keynes have tried by hand and said its locked and then quickly quoted me five grand fer a new factory engine

I would take the sparking plugs out and put a spanner on the damper flywheel pulley and try and turn it that way , in either direction. Drain the sunp and see what comes out.

malcolm

 

[lozcb]

drained the oil and about an eggcupful of water came out first but the oil is a mustard colour

 

[television]

drained the oil and about an eggcupful of water came out first but the oil is a mustard colour

That would show that the oil is well mixed with the water. If the car has been left a couple of months thing the rings could be stuck to the bores. you cant just assume that it has a broken con rod, most engines run with a mixture of oil and water when the head gaskit fails, the only place that water can get into the enginne in large quanties is through the air intake and the engine would stop before it could break a con rod.

malcolm

 

[lozcb]

do yo suggest getting the large socket bar on the damper pulley and giving it a gentle bit of welly and putting a little squirt of oil down the bores

 

[television]

do yo suggest getting the large socket bar on the damper pulley and giving it a gentle bit of welly and putting a little squirt of oil down the bores

Yes I do, that would be automatic for me, turn in either direction.

Malcolm

 

[lozcb]

Right done that, no joy appears to be locked solid , not even a little movement either way, gutted was hoping fer a little movement so as to work it free, seems im back to square one on how to inspect the bottom end and to remove the sump whether this can be done without removing the engine any help or ideas greatly appreciated

 

[television]

Right done that, no joy appears to be locked solid , not even a little movement either way, gutted was hoping fer a little movement so as to work it free, seems im back to square one on how to inspect the bottom end and to remove the sump whether this can be done without removing the engine any help or ideas greatly appreciated

I bought a huge lawn mower once with a siezed car engine in it cheap. On getting it out of the lorry and sliding down the planks the engine freed its self and was perfect for years, I take that your car is Auto and not manual.
Another way is to get the starter motor off and lever the teeth of the fly wheel, but I do not think that you have enough room to do that. re the damper pulley you would need a bar at least 18" long, and shock is better than pulling.
To remove the sump I think that have to support the engine in a sling stand (not expensive) and remove the bottom sub frame with wheel etc.

malcolm
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[lozcb]

Cheers malcomb, appreciate yer input,in a quandry now as to taking out that mortgage on a new lump, do you know is it possible to hire endiscopes so as to view the inside electronically, just be really peeved if it was sommet simple and i paid all that dosh needlessly knowing what the dealerships are like regards loz

 

[television]

Cheers malcomb, appreciate yer input,in a quandry now as to taking out that mortgage on a new lump, do you know is it possible to hire endiscopes so as to view the inside electronically, just be really peeved if it was sommet simple and i paid all that dosh needlessly knowing what the dealerships are like regards loz

I would think that a drain cleaning man would be just as happy looking at your engine, biggest problem is that you don't have anywhere to insert it other the the sump drain hole, and may be a touch to big.

Malcolm

 

[davidsl500]

Might be worth taking the head off as well, water is pretty solid when in a cylinder, but will have drained away over time. I wonder whether the timing chain has snapped and we have a valve / piston in contact ? It would help if when the original guy said it wouldnt restart, what exactly he meant - did it turn over but not start or turn over and then just lock or what? If it was turning over and not starting and its been a bit of time then maybe it needs a strip and free everything up? If it went bang then it would give us a better idea. The Cats may be damgaed as well by the way......

 

[lozcb]

Cheers david , the previous owner said it just stopped when he was stationary but ticking over. he had to climb out through the window as he was stuck in london traffic in june this year and could go anywhere any way. the car was towed away and the ins co wrote it off cos he needed another one right away.ive bought it cat x salvage , when i got it the whole car was perfect in every way but the lump was locked tight , the plugs were already out and the inspection covers off

 

[Hibbo]

If it is a manual, you could try an aggressive bump start.
I reckon water has been sucked into the air intake causing the engine to stop and refuse to restart, and since then the rings have siezed in the bores. Pour tons of a good penetrating oil in through the spark plug holes, leave it for a while, then try an aggressive bump start - if a manual!

 

[lozcb]

cheers hibbo that had already crossed my mind but its an auto anything else you might suggest, already put penetrating oil down the bores today , gonna have to make a decision in the next few days as to whether the money pit is gonna get unlocked

 

[johnb80]

Why not leave the plugs out, a couple of squirts of oil down each plug hole and try flicking it over on the starter? You've nothing to lose at all. I would be tempted to leave the oil in overnight first, adding some heat in there may also help (from a space heater), get the alloy to expand.

Good Luck

Regards - J

 

[lozcb]

Why not leave the plugs out, a couple of squirts of oil down each plug hole and try flicking it over on the starter? You've nothing to lose at all. I would be tempted to leave the oil in overnight first, adding some heat in there may also help (from a space heater), get the alloy to expand.

Good Luck

Regards - J

hi john all input greatly appreciated, have just spoken to the previous owner luvly chap who said the engine just stopped when he was stationary and the water wa rising, he tried to restart it and it was dead, as a dodo, no loud bangs or anything like graunching, apparently the mb dealers quoted the repair damage at around 15000 pounds gulp but then they would wouldnt they hence the insurance co wrote it off financially

regards loz, gonna leave some oil in the bores fer a day or two check that the starter is disengaged and find out about hiring an endiscope failing that gonna go fer a new factory lump with full mb gaurantees and just bite the bullet

 

[Hibbo]

Autos eh?

I still think the problem is seized rings. You'll need to shock them free. As the bump start idea is out, get a socket on the crankshaft pulley, the biggest bar you can find, and WHACK it, with the heaviest thing you can lift. Really hit it. It will hurt you to do so to your dream motor, but you really have nothing to lose.

Good luck mate